Must have on my list :-)

Virtuali is always raising the bar

Michael Moe

FSDT KORD is one of the best, i have FB T2G and FT airports and KORD is on par as one of the best, sadly i don`t think will see any more for P3Dv5xx from FSDT.

1 hour ago, Benjamin J said:

but when it concerns an entire airport I don't like it much

which is NOT what’s happening at KORD that, being a true P3D native airport that doesn’t work in FSX, has allowed to do the otherwise perfectly safe “injection” only when absolutely necessary, and for obviously good reasons, for example the complete unload of the detailed terminal interiors when you don’t need them, but what we could do with P3D-specific features that we could NOT do in the past with FSX without using the otherwise perfectly safe injection, we did it in KORD.

I tried to explain so many times why we were forced to do that in FSX, to do thing not otherwise possible, like multiple seasons or memory optimizations, and some people thought they were just excuses to justify what they mistakenly assumed to be just a DRM, and I hoped it would be NOTICED how DIFFERENT KORD really is, which is the living proof those where NOT excuses, but just FSX limitations we don’t have anymore, and the fact is, as soon we made a P3D4 native scenery that doesn’t have to run in FSX too, the scenery went back to be almost entirly pure .BGL except, again, for some notable exceptions like optimized interiors, or things that must disappear, like far away dynamic lights.

This is all fully explained in the release notes on the manual, which can of course be read from the Trial too so, what happens here, is that you bought the lesser product because of your unjustified fear of the Addon Manager, that in this case does very little, and especially very little “injection”. And of course, every other scenery out there that uses SODE, does quite a bit of injection as well, so it does every AI traffic product that has flights created dynamically so no, under a typical installation, the Addon Manager ( least at KORD ) is probably the thing that injects less now.

I think I am going to get the FSDT KORD for MSFS and stick with DD airports for P3dv5. The FSDT KORD really does look great. I do have pretty much every FSDT airport and they are all top notch. Hopefully someone will make a Schaumburg Regional and Lake in the Hills airports for MSFS since those are where I do my real world flying from. Then all we need is a Piper Warrior and the world will be perfect!

Cheers, Pete

5 minutes ago, PilotPete99 said:

I think I am going to get the FSDT KORD for MSFS and stick with DD airports for P3dv5. The FSDT KORD really does look great. I do have pretty much every FSDT airport and they are all top notch. Hopefully someone will make a Schaumburg Regional and Lake in the Hills airports for MSFS since those are where I do my real world flying from. Then all we need is a Piper Warrior and the world will be perfect!

Cheers, Pete

unless you want to dive in for a FSDT KORD with DD Chicago explorering (combined with ORBX KCGX) just for fun and its all that good :-)

Michael Moe

2 minutes ago, Michael Moe said:

unless you want to dive in for a FSDT KORD with DD Chicago explorering (combined with ORBX KCGX) just for fun and its all that good 🙂

Michael Moe

Believe me, I’m thinking about it! My practical side is telling me not to buy a second version of an airport I already have though. At least for MSFS I have no KORD yet.

Cheers, Pete

What will DX12 do for addons in MSFS when it is released it`s already high on the VRAM in 4K ULTRA.

If you've got the DD version already I think it will be down to the number of times you fly there, if the answer is "many" then I think it's worth getting.

I have personally bought KJFK and KLAX form them lately and I'm quite satisfied given the price but would really appreciate at least the implementation of dynamic lighting to make them enjoyable at night.

Also, really satisfied with KMEM, awesome value for money at 13€, I would recomend anyone who likes cargo and/or big airports to get it. Again, it could use implementation of dynamic lighting to enjoy night flights.

4 minutes ago, Fludo said:

If you've got the DD version already I think it will be down to the number of times you fly there, if the answer is "many" then I think it's worth getting.

I have personally bought KJFK and KLAX form them lately and I'm quite satisfied given the price but would really appreciate at least the implementation of dynamic lighting to make them enjoyable at night.

Also, really satisfied with KMEM, awesome value for money at 13€, I would recomend anyone who likes cargo and/or big airports to get it. Again, it could use implementation of dynamic lighting to enjoy night flights.

Just go to inibuilds and get the dynamic lighting profile they have 

5 hours ago, virtuali said:

which is NOT what’s happening at KORD that, being a true P3D native airport that doesn’t work in FSX, has allowed to do the otherwise perfectly safe “injection” only when absolutely necessary, and for obviously good reasons, for example the complete unload of the detailed terminal interiors when you don’t need them, but what we could do with P3D-specific features that we could NOT do in the past with FSX without using the otherwise perfectly safe injection, we did it in KORD.

I tried to explain so many times why we were forced to do that in FSX, to do thing not otherwise possible, like multiple seasons or memory optimizations, and some people thought they were just excuses to justify what they mistakenly assumed to be just a DRM, and I hoped it would be NOTICED how DIFFERENT KORD really is, which is the living proof those where NOT excuses, but just FSX limitations we don’t have anymore, and the fact is, as soon we made a P3D4 native scenery that doesn’t have to run in FSX too, the scenery went back to be almost entirly pure .BGL except, again, for some notable exceptions like optimized interiors, or things that must disappear, like far away dynamic lights.

This is all fully explained in the release notes on the manual, which can of course be read from the Trial too so, what happens here, is that you bought the lesser product because of your unjustified fear of the Addon Manager, that in this case does very little, and especially very little “injection”. And of course, every other scenery out there that uses SODE, does quite a bit of injection as well, so it does every AI traffic product that has flights created dynamically so no, under a typical installation, the Addon Manager ( least at KORD ) is probably the thing that injects less now.

Oh! Well that changes things. I'm glad to hear that you are now able to go back to the bgl's more than before. But mind you, when you wrote this reply I already bought KORD v2 😉 Looking forward to installing it and having a look around!

Just thought to come back and leave my impression now that I installed FSDT's version. It definitely looks much better in the sim than any picture I've seen posted online, be that in reviews or even FSDT's own product webpage! Very pleasantly surprised with the quality of the ground textures, which, as Umberto mentioned in this thread were updated after many reviews were posted, and indeed look way better now than they did at the time of those reviews. The terminals look gorgeous.

I did find some areas to have some long loading textures, notably on the international terminal, and I think performance on the whole is slightly worse with FSDT's over DD's, but I didn't do a head-to-head comparison here. I also noticed some areas that lacked autogen in the immediate surroundings of the airport, so it may b that FSDT KORD v2 is not 100% compatible with DD Chicago City, but other than that the two addons go great together. Overall, this was well worth the money, certainly on sale! 

12 hours ago, Benjamin J said:

It definitely looks much better in the sim than any picture I've seen posted online, be that in reviews or even FSDT's own product webpage!

That's the crux with full PBR products: they MUST been experienced LIVE on YOUR system, because of the way they constantly reacts to the ever changing light during the day or just your particular viewing angle.

When they are shown on static screenshots, you don't get the same feel, and we are strongly opposed to doctored and heavy post-processed screenshots that are so common with other products ( has ever happened to you, getting a scenery that looked "so good" on screenshots, but not so much on your system ? ), because they must trick you in buying them based on screenshots ? A 100% PBR airport must be seen live to see how much better *really* is than one that is not, or uses PBR just to create some metal or reflective effects ( that's not what PBR is about ), and that's why we have a Trial version for all our products, because installing them is the only way to see as they really are.

Umberto if you do an updated KJFK like KORD i think you will some buyers here me for a start.

Edited December 1, 20205 yr by G-RFRY

6 hours ago, virtuali said:

When they are shown on static screenshots, you don't get the same feel, and we are strongly opposed to doctored and heavy post-processed screenshots that are so common with other products ( has ever happened to you, getting a scenery that looked "so good" on screenshots, but not so much on your system ? ), because they must trick you in buying them based on screenshots ? A 100% PBR airport must be seen live to see how much better *really* is than one that is not, or uses PBR just to create some metal or reflective effects ( that's not what PBR is about ), and that's why we have a Trial version for all our products, because installing them is the only way to see as they really are.

I actually have not experienced this in a very long time 🙂 usually I feel like I got what I expected.

I will add that in KORD v2's case, my biggest hang-up was the resolution of the ground textures - and I mean not the taxiways and runway, but rather the grass and dirt, and the way the border between taxiway and grass looked. To see what appeared to be an immense improvement from the screenshot to the real thing I don't think has anything to do with PBR textures in this case? It's true that experiencing the PBR 'live' helps, but I'd like to think that I factored this in already, since there are other PBR sceneries out there where I did not have these problems. I would actually urge you to choose different screenshots, because I do not feel like they showcase your scenery particularly well. Again, there are other sceneries out there that extensively use PBR materials where I felt that the screenshots did reflect the quality of the scenery. Examples are MKS's BIKF and EIDW, or Orbx' KBUR. Even the preveiw shots of Zim's RJAA showcase the PBR material of the glass terminal windows very nicely.

Also, for what it's worth, let me add my vote for an updated KJFK...

I have never used an FSDT airport, because I only fly around the UK, Ireland and Netherlands. Now, if only they would consider shocking the flightsim world, and develop a super detailed version of EINN Shannon