1 hour ago, cianpars said:

Love the concept of VR, but I suspect my varifocals would have problems with it.

I wear progressive lenses with my Oculus Quest two and they work good, sometimes moving the headset up or down or side to side on your head will find the right focus. So far I'm pretty happy. 

9 minutes ago, Daytona125 said:

Only problem is you need really big hardware to run it smooth

I found the only sim I am able to run VR without any compromise in the settings is still AeroflyFS2. Unfortunately its development stalled and given the style of devleopment I doubt it will come to speed again during the rest of my life.

Kind regards, Michael

 

3 hours ago, pmb said:

Opinions on this differ. I have been using my HP Reverb with AeroflyFS2 and now with MSFS in the VR Beta (and with less success in P3D and XP). I find it a completely new level of immersion, you just get the impression you are not sitting on a desk but really in a plane. You can turn your head to see the runway on the base leg, raise the head to look upon it on approach and so on without having to flip any buttons. Without going into detail because of the beta restrictions, I find Asobo has done a stunning implementation of VR.

This said there are a few caveats yet.

1st you have to handle the controls blindly which isn't an issue for yoke and pedals but e.g. longing for the flaps lever needs a bit of acquaintance. Alternatively you can handle these with the mouse or controllers, of course 

2nd you can't go crazy with the settings. While I have nearly all MSFS settings maxed on my 3440x1440 2D screen this isn't possibly with the VR goggles. But while I had difficulty to read some instruments in AeroflyFS2 using my former headset (an ASUS H101) the Reverb has enough resolution to display them very clearly.

3rd you may get motion sick. Some people get others don't, you can only find it out by trying it. To a degree, this also depends on fluidity, thus it's sometimes better to sacrifice a little bit of eye candy for fluidity.

This said, I am most of the time flying in VR after being allowed to the MSFS beta, and I much enjoy this. Despite I have a hardware panel with all the switches, levers and (FIP) gauges in competition with the headset.

But as I said, opinions differ. VR enthusiasts still are a minority, albeit a noisy one.

Kind regards, Michael

I agree totally with what you are saying, but there are a few ways to help with things. What is good with the Oculus(not sure of the others) is there is a little space between the head unit and your cheek so you can look into this space when you do have to see the keyboard or flight controls, works great for me. As for things that are a little blurry in the cockpit I have a hot key for the zoom feature and another hot key right beside to re-centre and re-set my zoom on my yoke. I only use the mouse to manipulate the switches and knobs. I love V.R. and I could never go back.

 

I think VR is definitely a two camp situation.  I used to have an Oculus Rift headset, and it was certainly a neat experience, but I just couldn’t get into it as my main method of simming (both for flight and racing).  Part of it was not being able to see all of my controls, the other part was the screen door effect which I found very distracting and relatively low resolution overall.

I can certainly see a time in the future when the head sets are a much higher visual quality, and perhaps some force feedback gloves or something like that to fully immerse the user into VR and allow manipulation of switches etc.  But for now I’m happy with a large monitor.

I'm tossing my OR 2 due to the crappy Facebook Account requirement!

 

Not sure if I'm going to get another headset until they are wireless and 4K in each eye.  Can't stand the blurries and screen door effect!

4 minutes ago, regis9 said:

certainly a neat experience, but I just couldn’t get into it as my main method of simming (both for flight and racing).

we are so different when it comes to VR,
for me the resolution never played such a big role,
The immersion that VR gives you and that you don't have over a normal monitor was also the most important factor: The flight feeling... landing is so much easier in VR.

Same with racing, i have lost the fun of racing with a standard monitor, you just dont feel like sitting in a real car.

I already had so much fun with the first pair of glasses (Dk1) 2012.

But as i said before, we are so different when it comes to VR experience.

7 minutes ago, Nedo68 said:

we are so different when it comes to VR,
for me the resolution never played such a big role,
The immersion that VR gives you and that you don't have over a normal monitor was also the most important factor: The flight feeling... landing is so much easier in VR.

Same with racing, i have lost the fun of racing with a standard monitor, you just dont feel like sitting in a real car.

I already had so much fun with the first pair of glasses (Dk1) 2012.

But as i said before, we are so different when it comes to VR experience.

I'm with you Nedo68. Been using V.R. since its inception( Oculus kick start development kit 2012) and I can't go back to a flat screen. I've got my setup pretty much figured out with hot-keys and such. I'm now using the Oculus quest 2 in P3Dv5 and it's working pretty good. Was trying to wait for the HP reverb g2 but figured it won't be here in Canada for a while and I just can't afford it or justify the cost over here, plus my old 1080 would just have a heart attack with the reverb g2(trying to get a 3080, another story in itself).

22 minutes ago, Kilo60 said:

I'm tossing my OR 2 due to the crappy Facebook Account requirement!

 

Not sure if I'm going to get another headset until they are wireless and 4K in each eye.  Can't stand the blurries and screen door effect!

Nasa might just have to build you a computer. Save up now...

2 minutes ago, Daytona125 said:

Been using V.R. since its inception( Oculus kick start development kit 2012) and I can't go back to a flat screen.

this will truly be a Christmas present for many VR newcomers, pilots don't forget the vomit bags! 😂

29 minutes ago, regis9 said:

I think VR is definitely a two camp situation.  I used to have an Oculus Rift headset, and it was certainly a neat experience, but I just couldn’t get into it as my main method of simming (both for flight and racing).  Part of it was not being able to see all of my controls, the other part was the screen door effect which I found very distracting and relatively low resolution overall.

I can certainly see a time in the future when the head sets are a much higher visual quality, and perhaps some force feedback gloves or something like that to fully immerse the user into VR and allow manipulation of switches etc.  But for now I’m happy with a large monitor.

I see a lot of people try it for a day and get frustrated with it. You need to give it some time and there is a lot you can do to make it work for you. It's very easy for me now because I do so much by feel and I've set keys and things to do a lot for me. I guess what I am saying is I'm just really used to it. I can live with 20 fps and a little blurry here and there. I'd rather more but I just gotta wait until at least a 3080 is available for me to buy. Soon I hope.

I just can't imagine using VR for flight sims.  

 

I suppose if what I enjoyed was bush flying fully VFR where all I had to worry about was flaps and mixture for short flights it would be cool.  

 

I use it exclusively for sim racing and wouldn't dream of going back to monitors, so I understand the draw. But that only requires a steering wheel, pedals, and a shifter.

 

 I just don't think what I enjoy about flight sims (system complexity etc) would translate.  

9 hours ago, robert young said:

Asobo need some proper pilots and people who know what they are doing. Every update like this goes completely over the top. Smoothing means making something less abrupt. This ain't smoothing. It's strangling!

 

2 hours ago, regis9 said:

I think VR is definitely a two camp situation.  I used to have an Oculus Rift headset, and it was certainly a neat experience, but I just couldn’t get into it as my main method of simming (both for flight and racing).  Part of it was not being able to see all of my controls, the other part was the screen door effect which I found very distracting and relatively low resolution overall.

I can certainly see a time in the future when the head sets are a much higher visual quality, and perhaps some force feedback gloves or something like that to fully immerse the user into VR and allow manipulation of switches etc.  But for now I’m happy with a large monitor.

Yes, the screen door effect and Blurries was the biggest issue for me.  My 4k monitor is so much clearer and I can see my keyboard.

 

Hopefully 4K headsets will be out in the next few years...

1 hour ago, Daytona125 said:

Nasa might just have to build you a computer. Save up now...

Lol, my i9- 9900K and 3090Ti would work fine.  I'd just have to live with 20FPS!...

4 minutes ago, Kilo60 said:

Lol, my i9- 9900K and 3090Ti would work fine.  I'd just have to live with 20FPS!...

I WANT YOUR COMPUTER LOL!!