Reasons NOT to upgrade to P3Dv5?

[torque2 24]

17 hours ago, 2302rs said:

Hey there!

I'm currently still running P3Dv4.5 and I'm pretty happy with it. I plan to get a new pc early next year, as soon as GPU availability gets better again.

Now my question to you guys having already done so: Is there any reason not to upgrade to v5? Apart from addons that have not been updated to be compatible of course (PMDG 777, Milviz PC6 and others...).
Specifically, are there any weird stability or performance issues with v5?

Thanks! regards,
Raffael

I had the same question.  I opted to try the Developers version of V5.1 for a month.  My month is nearly up and I will be staying with V4.5.  I have had issues with severe stuttering on occasions that are unexplained.  V4.5 has always been smooth for me.  And I could see no performance or visual benefits on my modest (1920x1200) monitor and 2060 Super 8GB video card.

[W2DR 1,860]

I have both installed with a bunch of ORBX scenery. I run them with all the sliders maxxed on two monitors at 1920x1200. Honestly, I don't see any pressing reason to go to 5.1 if you're happy with 4.5. The framerate is a bit better (10-15%) and the overall graphics are a bit improved but other than that things are pretty much the same (IMNSHO). All mileage is, of course, variable and this is just one guys input so take it for what it may be worth, or not.

P.S. I'm also using a 2060 Super with 8GB

Edited December 21, 2020 by W2DR

[Bert Pieke 7,590]

5 hours ago, jaytee73 said:

I have spent years in digital manipulation of photos and video but this has me beat

Try my V5 settings as a test:

Graphics: FXAA=off, AA=4XSSAA. Ani=8x, TexRes=2048, Vsync=off, fps=Unlimited
          LOD=High,TessFac=High,Mesh=5m,TexRes=1m, UseHighResTex,
          Scene Comp=ExtremelyDense, AutoGen=High,Veg=Normal,BLg=Dense,DynamicVeg=off
          Water Detail=Medium, no Bath, no reflections
          SpecEff=Medium
          HDR=On (0.85/0.05/0.97), DynRef=off, LandLights=on
          Shadow qual = High, Shadow Draw Dist = Low, Casting+Rec = both for Internal and External
          Enh Atmospherics=on,  Cloud Res=Medium,  Weather: Clear Skies. 

[1st fltsimguy 466]

I'm glad this discussion came up.  As a simmer who is just exhausted with the endless tweaking, this pretty much has me staying with P3D4.5, everything is working fine, especially with my new GTX1080Ti 11 gig graphics card.

[GSalden 4,699]

V5.1 HF1 : the Swiss Alps

If you do not want this then there is no reason to upgrade to V5....

Edited December 21, 2020 by GSalden

[OzWhitey 3,353]

Do you see yourself ever upgrading to v5 over the next couple of years? If so, do it now and see if you like it. It’s not going to get any cheaper. V4 is also not going to get any better. V5 is going to steadily improve, and it’s already a better sim than v4 ever was as long as you’ve got the hardware to run it.

[chapstick 2,762]

1 hour ago, GSalden said:

V5.1 HF1 : the Swiss Alps

If you do not want this then there is no reason to upgrade to V5....

I recommend V5 over V4 but I don't see how a grainy cellphone capture of a home cockpit's monitors is relevant.

[GSalden 4,699]

13 minutes ago, Chapstick said:

I recommend V5 over V4 but I don't see how a grainy cellphone capture of a home cockpit's monitors is relevant.

Thank you for your usual negativity.

Perhaps next time you might think a litle longer before adding you ‘great’ contribution to a thread...

Btw : regarding the grainy vid (4K), you might try (better) glasses or it’s time that you buy a new monitor 🧐

[jaytee73 132]

@Bert Pieke

many thanks for that and the trouble you are taking 

I will be trying those settings and report back on an australia V2 flight

and a TE test as well - all low and slow

Where is the HDR setting in V5 ??

@G Selden

very nice  -- but you are at 30K+ feet

What do you see in a Cessna at 3000"

[Mace 1,951]

9 hours ago, Bert Pieke said:

Try my V5 settings as a test:

Graphics: FXAA=off, AA=4XSSAA. Ani=8x, TexRes=2048, Vsync=off, fps=Unlimited
          LOD=High,TessFac=High,Mesh=5m,TexRes=1m, UseHighResTex,
          Scene Comp=ExtremelyDense, AutoGen=High,Veg=Normal,BLg=Dense,DynamicVeg=off
          Water Detail=Medium, no Bath, no reflections
          SpecEff=Medium
          HDR=On (0.85/0.05/0.97), DynRef=off, LandLights=on
          Shadow qual = High, Shadow Draw Dist = Low, Casting+Rec = both for Internal and External
          Enh Atmospherics=on,  Cloud Res=Medium,  Weather: Clear Skies. 

 

What vid card are you running now Bert?

[Bert Pieke 7,590]

1 hour ago, Mace said:

 

What vid card are you running now Bert?

GTX 1070

[Bert Pieke 7,590]

2 hours ago, jaytee73 said:

Where is the HDR setting in V5 ??

Settings / Lighting

[jaytee73 132]

22 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

Settings / Lighting

@Bert Pieke

In the words of a famous Hollywood copper - "You have made my day" "

I have seen you help many people - (and even though I could never understand your setup for reality 750 in Carenado's 525 CR 2 ) - you can add another to your triumphs.

I thought I knew something about digitals and viewed your settings with some sceptism - I reset P3D V5  with every one of your settings - except for the HDR - which I did find - thankyou - but it was greyed out - probably High Dynamic Resolution wasn't thought of when my 8 year old Samsung TV/monitor came into being.

I have tested these with Orbyx Australia V2 over mountain terrain - UK Central T.E. for Liverpool to Blackpool - and Gold Coast Airport and City scape - and I am  so surprised - almost to Gobsmacked status - with the change - not only in V5 - but my opinion of it 

With the exception of the Darkness in patches - eg cockpit - the improvement was specific - and no stutters - or slow downs - and scenery so much improved.

Those numbers are now in my filing system and am about to try them on P3D V4 and see what happens

Bert - thankyou very much for making an old bloke happy and grateful that I can now make use of the 2 cataract ops I had in the last 5 weeks👴  

 

[GSalden 4,699]

5 hours ago, jaytee73 said:

@Bert Pieke

many thanks for that and the trouble you are taking 

I will be trying those settings and report back on an australia V2 flight

and a TE test as well - all low and slow

Where is the HDR setting in V5 ??

@G Selden

very nice  -- but you are at 30K+ feet

What do you see in a Cessna at 3000"

This is 5000 ft :

 

2500 ft, but no clouds (Salzburg) :

[SAS443 1,729]

I would say the leap between v5.1 and 4.5 is not that significant. Especially if you run with EA off. And even with EA the cloud scapes can be very underwhelming if you use ActiveSky. The cloud popping/morphing is very prominent and spoils the immersion alot.

I am not that impressed with LM at all. You can get similar visuals in 4.5 and avoid the horrendous EA colors during dusk/Dawn. This is with ultra resolution clouds 🤣

TomatoShade mops the floor with EA and you are able to control most of the parameters.

Edited December 22, 2020 by SAS443