Man you guys are going to be waiting for a long time. This thread almost reads like a support group. Anybody who likes flying airliners just can’t be satisfied with msfs right now. I expected there to be a wait when this sim released. What I didn’t expect was the level of disappointment I would have since day one of the alpha. 

Personally don't care. PMDG cater to the hard-core crowd. Mid range addons like the upcoming Aerosoft CRJ are what I am looking for. Paying 150 bucks for a fps heavy every switch modelled plane is not what mainstream simmers are looking for.

10 minutes ago, sanh said:

Personally don't care. PMDG cater to the hard-core crowd. Mid range addons like the upcoming Aerosoft CRJ are what I am looking for. Paying 150 bucks for a fps heavy every switch modelled plane is not what mainstream simmers are looking for.

Mid range vs high level addons doesn’t determine performance like FPS. For example the aerosoft crj has worse performance than the pmdg ngxu. I agree the market is bigger for the non hardcore sim pilot. But they also won’t be the ones still into this hobby in 5 years 

I'm coming at this from a slightly different angle. Let's fast forward to the day when PMDG has released a 737 / 777 for MSFS. When you're up at FL350 and streaming the scenery just how different will the Earth look compared to P3D with FS Global, FTX Global and UTX Europe / USA Ultimate?

Individual buildings are not going to be visible in MSFS. Rivers will be but then again they're visible in P3D with those addons. Detailed coastlines will be virtually the same. So what big difference will MSFS give over P3D? I'm struggling to work that out.

The downsides are no historic weather and if it's a night flight you're downloading Mb of data that is virtually invisible. Only if you fly that route in daytime will the cached scenery be useful.

And will the flight engine in MSFS be significantly better than that in P3D? It seems to me that MSFS is a superb VFR simulator but has no huge advantage over P3D for IFR.

13 minutes ago, sanh said:

 Paying 150 bucks for a fps heavy every switch modelled plane is not what mainstream simmers are looking for.

I suspect that the market for pricey addons is rapidly shrinking to the size of a peanut. 

1 minute ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I'm coming at this from a slightly different angle. Let's fast forward to the day when PMDG has released a 737 / 777 for MSFS. When you're up at FL350 and streaming the scenery just how different will the Earth look compared to P3D with FS Global, FTX Global and UTX Europe / USA Ultimate?

Individual buildings are not going to be visible in MSFS. Rivers will be but then again they're visible in P3D with those addons. Detailed coastlines will be virtually the same. So what big difference will MSFS give over P3D? I'm struggling to work that out.

The downsides are no historic weather and if it's a night flight you're downloading Mb of data that is virtually invisible. Only if you fly that route in daytime will the cached scenery be useful.

And will the flight engine in MSFS be significantly better than that in P3D? It seems to me that MSFS is a superb VFR simulator but has no huge advantage over P3D for IFR.

Are you currently an active user of MSFS?

Just now, Ricardo41 said:

Are you currently an active user of MSFS?

No but why is that relevant? I'm trying to look at the pros and cons from a neutral viewpoint.

2 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

I suspect that the market for pricey addons is rapidly shrinking to the size of a peanut. 

There is always a market for premium products in flight sim.  You get what you pay for. 

Well, for one thing, you're not going to stay at 35,000 feet forever. 

Take a trip from, say, Paris to Dubai, then select a star that takes you over the city and then back to the airport. Compare and contrast P3D and MSFS. 

1 minute ago, Ricardo41 said:

Well, for one thing, you're not going to stay at 35,000 feet forever. 

It's a 6 hour flight. 5 of it will be at FL350. I don't dispute that the departure and arrival will look better in MSFS but what about the other five hours? What differences will there be?

5 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Individual buildings are not going to be visible in MSFS. Rivers will be but then again they're visible in P3D with those addons. Detailed coastlines will be virtually the same. So what big difference will MSFS give over P3D? I'm struggling to work that out.

It is not about the scenery, it is about immersion, the light, the sun, the clouds ... all these I can't find them in P3D nor X-Plane. MSFS has something that is addicting, kind of hard to describe though. Having said that, personally I think many of us here being kind of dramatic, me personally I still have my X-Plane with my favorite airliners like FlightFactor, iniBuild A300, Toliss, FF, IXEG737 (hey Jan 😛) and zibo and I fly with both sims regularly MSFS and XP11. Nothing about ditching a sim to another. If PMDG releases the NGX to MSFS soon, I would be happy otherwise nothing to lose. 

However, my hate towards P3D has nothing to do with MSFS lol. I just got tired of P3D's maintenance overhead with XML files, updating, re-installing ,, etc and the frequent CTDs that I had on my system and because of that I invested heavily on X-Plane instead as I found it pretty appealing to my taste and it doesn't require much of maintenance (copy paste done). 

 

2 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

It is not about the scenery, it is about immersion, the light, the sun, the clouds

Fair point. I hadn't thought about that. But whilst it is a game-changer for you would it be for the majority? And it's interesting you still fly with X-Plane.

4 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

However, my hate towards P3D has nothing to do with MSFS lol. I just got tired of P3D's maintenance overhead with XML files, updating, re-installing ,, etc and the frequent CTDs that I had on my system

That perhaps explains why you were keen to move away from P3D. Personally, I've had very few CTDs with v4.5 and consider it a very stable and mature version.

But thanks for mentioning something I hadn't considered.

PS. I deleted your duplicate post. 😉

no CTD either.  I kind of enjoy being able to get in there and customize/tinker with p3d.  Not to mention the ability to delay software updates until they are vetted.  Makes me very nervous that MSFS doesn't give us that choice.  

24 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

It's a 6 hour flight. 5 of it will be at FL350. I don't dispute that the departure and arrival will look better in MSFS but what about the other five hours? What differences will there be?

None but who sits there for the 5 hours staring at their screen? Its the 1 hour where you actually "use" the sim. I only fly airliners and MSFS is superb with the A320 mod. Every flight is the same cockpit wise. You push the same buttons and just enter different way points each time. How long can the interest last from that? Its what you see out of the window each time on departure and approach that changes and makes it worthwhile (weather, scenery, mountains, volcanoes, custom autogen to the region you are flying to) and all without shelling out $$$ for a new destination airport/scenery each time. Thats why MSFS for me at least is still the best for IFR too - even if there are only a couple of worthy planes to fly.

Edited February 3, 20215 yr by sanh

15 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Fair point. I hadn't thought about that. But whilst it is a game-changer for you would it be for the majority? And it's interesting you still fly with X-Plane.

True. To be fair, some might find these as crucial and some might just don't care as long they have deep simulation airliner which is totally fine, as long they are happy. Again, for me this is not a football club that we have choose one over the other, in fact you can fly both or all the three if you like. It is all about the mood 🙂. And I am grateful that we have these choices anyway :).

Oh one point I forgot to mention about MSFS, since it doesn't need the overhead orthos preparation like what I need to do in X-Plane, it enabled me to fly to new continents, new places, new areas that I have never been to in real life nor in a previous simulators and thus this is a worthy experience IMO.    

Edited February 3, 20215 yr by omarsmak30