2 hours ago, suncoastflyer said:

I'm already getting 35+ all the time, often in the 60s/70s. And they haven't even move to DX12 yet. Are we using the same sim?

Running well for me too but pmdg addons are very complex

@sanh, I can assure you there are people who will monitor the flight for its duration.

So from the replies I've received it's the departure and arrival that make MSFS better. Understood. And the lighting, clouds and sun are better than P3D. I'll accept people prefer MSFS for that. But it would seem that the virtual cockpit is unchanged as is the view once you're at cruise which is the majority of the flight time.

No-one has mentioned night-time flights yet and downloading all that scenery you'll never see unless you flight that route in daylight.

Is the lack of historical weather a big disadvantage for you? What about 3rd party weather programs being excluded?

33 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

It's a 6 hour flight. 5 of it will be at FL350. I don't dispute that the departure and arrival will look better in MSFS but what about the other five hours? What differences will there be?

You can answer this question - edit: and all the other questions about night lighting, weather, etc. -  for yourself by taking out a $1 (or one pound) trial membership (assuming this is still being offered).

Edited February 3, 20215 yr by Ricardo41

6 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

it enabled me to fly to new continents, new places, new areas that I have never been to in real life nor in a previous simulators and thus this is a worthy experience IMO.

Yes, that's the part of MSFS that would interest me. I've lived in a few different places around the world and have visited many others on holiday so seeing those in the sim would be a huge improvement over P3D. That's why I still see it as a visual simulator but for flying a 737 at FL350 I'm not convinced MSFS would give me that 'wow' factor over P3D.

3 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

You can answer this question - edit: and all the other questions about night lighting, weather, etc. -  for yourself by taking out a $1 (or one pound) trial membership (assuming this is still being offered).

Only when the sim has matured. That's still some way off.

11 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Is the lack of historical weather a big disadvantage for you? What about 3rd party weather programs being excluded?

I have never used historical weather, not in any of the sims that I owned, I just prefer the live weather. About 3rd party weather, for me personally I don't see the need to get one since the default live weather based on Meteoblue is very good for me, however it doesn't mean it is perfect but it got way better since the release and it still needs improvements. Because of these prediction data of Meteoblue, you don't have that weather transition that we have in XP or P3D, but weather is being placed like what you'd see in Meteoblue weather maps, so if point A is rainy and point B is sunny, you would see it as it is with no weather transition and hence for me that counts as part of the immersion.

Edited February 3, 20215 yr by omarsmak30

3 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

I have never used historical weather, not in any of the sims that I owned, I just prefer the live weather

What about when you fly in a time zone many hours different from your own? For example, I live in the U.K. - Zulu time - but suppose I want to fly from LAX to SFO at 10:00 my time. The weather injected in the sim will be that at 10:00 Zulu or 02:00 local won’t it? Not the weather for 10:00 local the previous day which I can setup in Active Sky.

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I'm coming at this from a slightly different angle. Let's fast forward to the day when PMDG has released a 737 / 777 for MSFS. When you're up at FL350 and streaming the scenery just how different will the Earth look compared to P3D with FS Global, FTX Global and UTX Europe / USA Ultimate?

Ray, I'm taking your comment as a personal challenge. I'm going to collect some FL350+ screenshots on my next few flights and post them in the screenshots forum, just for you. 🙂 

In all seriousness, the difference is night and day, almost especially at flight levels. Landclass-based scenery looks unobjectionable and plausible, absolutely. But you don't appreciate the difference until you see it. MSFS high up actually looks like whatever part of the world you're in, not just a landscape that looks more or less normal. Southern Iran looks like southern Iran, not southern California.

1 hour ago, omarsmak30 said:

Honestly I don't think RSR is stupid, he is a business man and he talks $$. Hence I highly doubt that he would release something new to P3D meanwhile miss the MSFS's huge crowd. I am pretty sure he will bring the airlines into MSFS no matter what, even that uses his influence and Matjias influence to convince Asobo to implement some bits to make it easier for PMDG and other third party developers.

He's already said PMDG will support MFS and he thinks it's the future. But he has a lot of time and money invested in P3D stuff that he needs to sell to maintain cashflow until they can get stuff out for MFS, and that seems quite an uphill task:

• MFS platform is not that mature yet, the SDK continues being expanded and updates are tweaking or adding features. So PMDG are aiming for a slowly moving target that sometimes changes shape a bit.
• Porting existing code from DLL (C++) gauges to the new WASM (with sandboxed HTML+JS+CSS etc) sounds complicated and lengthy. Also there's new ways of drawing gauges (Coherent instead of GDI+). Essentially they are relearning large parts of their craft whilst reworking the square peg to fit a new round hole.
• Porting existing visual models whilst relatively straight forward tends to look pretty poor so they'll need to be retextured as a minimum to work with the new materials system, but likely quite a bit of rebuilding as there's an expectation they should match the graphics of the bundled default craft.

 

Edited February 3, 20215 yr by ckyliu

Derailed SMH

4 minutes ago, honanhal said:

Ray, I'm taking your comment as a personal challenge. I'm going to collect some FL350+ screenshots on my next few flights and post them in the screenshots forum, just for you. 🙂 

In all seriousness, the difference is night and day, almost especially at flight levels. Landclass-based scenery looks unobjectionable and plausible, absolutely. But you don't appreciate the difference until you see it. MSFS high up actually looks like whatever part of the world you're in, not just a landscape that looks more or less normal. Southern Iran looks like southern Iran, not southern California.

The poster of those images never stated what sim was used but I guess it was MSFS. 😉 I look forward to seeing your shots, thanks.

But the lack of historical weather remains an issue plus the fact I would always have to keep P3D for FS Labs Concorde which will probably never be ported into MSFS.

11 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

But the lack of historical weather remains an issue plus the fact I would always have to keep P3D for FS Labs Concorde which will probably never be ported into MSFS.

Then if that is the case, you will need to use 3rd party weather system or a free mod. I don't think MSFS will support historical weather though. 

Just now, omarsmak30 said:

Then if that is the case, you will need to use 3rd party weather system or a free mod. I don't think MSFS will support historical weather though. 

Asobo have stated no access will be given to 3rd party weather developers. That is a big turn-off for me. How can it be treated as a serious simulator if you cannot see the correct weather for the chosen location for the date and time selected? ☹️

Just now, Ray Proudfoot said:

Asobo have stated no access will be given to 3rd party weather developers. That is a big turn-off for me. How can it be treated as a serious simulator if you cannot see the correct weather for the chosen location for the date and time selected? ☹️

I understand your point, it is about nagging Asobo later lol. I can foresee at some point in the future, the community will nag Asobo in the dev Q&A to bring historical weather to the table. It is all about patience 🙂. 

"Officially" they don't have access but it seems to be REX and Unreal weather mod are able to access to the weather and manipulate it, I think at some point they will add the historical representation. However as I understood, these plugins can still manipulate the weather in MSFS but don't have access to Meteoblue weather system (default live weather system) to manipulate it.

3 hours ago, SierraHotel said:

To be honest, I'm missing the 737 less and less in MSFS, with the amazing progress made by the FlyBywire team

I've already switched to Airbus in XP even thought the amazing Zibo. You gotta see the signs of time, I guess. Once a 737 fan, I now admit that Airbus just has a more modern concept. 😄