Im not even concerned, I dont know what the problem is. I guess some miss the point with converging mobile with desktop. 2 teams on different platforms thinking outside the box, one gets a brains storm, its easy to merge it into the other platform is its the same. Laminar have already said tech goes both ways this just makes it easier, and more efficient. But ill get my popcorn out too and enjoy the show,so glad I have a life.

1 hour ago, mjrhealth said:

I guess some miss the point with converging mobile with desktop

The problem with a "the difference between mobile and desktop disappearing" goal is:

Vs an AMD RX480 doing ~400 to 500 frames per second at higher settings.

So basically, forget [forgot] any kind of modern graphics. 

There is a counter arguer inside, which is Ben Supnik, but in the last ~18 months Desktop and Mobile hardware have diverged, not converged, with Nvidia, and to some extent AMD (at least on console) finally delivering an order of magnitude change in whats possible. 

If the next version of xplane is targeting mobile, they can't increase the minimum specs for GPU much if at all from what they are now in XP11, which severely limits what can be done.

3 hours ago, GoranM said:

This is the funniest thread I've read about Austin and speculation about where LR is going.  

You guys, seriously, have zero idea.  And that tells me that what Austin wants, which is everything kept under wraps, is working beautifully!  All the "wishing" and speculation in the world won't stop what LR is doing at the moment.  And that includes ridiculously huge amounts of collaboration with established developers in their Slack channel.

Asobo have proven that they are so bad at creating a flight sim, they actually need help from programmers.

I'll just do what most other developers and X-Plane users are now doing, and sit back and enjoy the "I'm an MSFS user and I'm going to stir the pot and throw my delusional weight and knowledge around in the X-Plane forums" show.

Why is this Asobo/MSFS hate? I find talking about "stirring the pot" really ironic when no one has done a heated X-Plane vs MSFS comparison in this thread so far and you are the first one to do it by bashing Asobo. Not even mentioning stereotyping MSFS users.

It's really off-putting at this point, seriously. It is possible to love X-Plane without hating MSFS and vice versa - you don't need to make fun of other simulators to defend X-Plane. It's not doing good for X-Plane's image either, given your ties with Laminar Research. I love X-Plane but these kind of comments are ruining it for me.

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I don’t hate asobo. I never said I did. I stated a fact. They’re now getting help because they’ve made something that fell too far short of expectations.  Am I wrong?
Do I find MSFS inferior to X-Plane?  Of course I do. Even MSFS developers are admitting that MSFS is seriously lacking. Go to the MSFS forums and you’ll find countless complaints. 
If you find my (factual) comments off putting, that’s on you. I find the baseless speculations in this very thread off putting. But I also find them exponentially comical. 

17 minutes ago, GoranM said:

baseless speculations

We're discussing the content of the OP, do please try and keep on topic and not speculate without basis.

You know, like saying 

3 hours ago, GoranM said:

And that tells me that what Austin wants, which is everything kept under wraps

When he's just given an hour long interview about what he wants and expects, you should surely be able to give timestamps where he says he wants "everything kept under wraps".

NICHE AVIATION PODCAST • EPISODE 9

X-Plane - Austin Meyer

https://share.transistor.fm/s/1aea9691

MARCH 15, 2021

Because I missed that one.

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5 minutes ago, mSparks said:

We're discussing the content of the OP, do please try and keep on topic and not speculate without basis.

NICHE AVIATION PODCAST • EPISODE 9

X-Plane - Austin Meyer

https://share.transistor.fm/s/1aea9691

MARCH 15, 2021

I read every post. 

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5 minutes ago, GoranM said:

I read every post. 

And the timstamp for where Austin says

3 hours ago, GoranM said:

And that tells me that what Austin wants, which is everything kept under wraps

Is?

Edited March 18, 20215 yr by mSparks

Just now, mSparks said:

And the timstamp for where he says

Is?

Just a small FYI, I’ll reply to the posts I want to reply to, without you policing my replies, or instructing me on what to read or listen to. 

30 minutes ago, GoranM said:

I don’t hate asobo. I never said I did. I stated a fact. They’re now getting help because they’ve made something that fell too far short of expectations.  Am I wrong?
Do I find MSFS inferior to X-Plane?  Of course I do. Even MSFS developers are admitting that MSFS is seriously lacking. Go to the MSFS forums and you’ll find countless complaints. 
If you find my (factual) comments off putting, that’s on you. I find the baseless speculations in this very thread off putting. But I also find them exponentially comical. 

"Asobo have proven that they are so bad at creating a flight sim, they actually need help from programmers."

I don't see any factuality on this, sorry. They collaborated with WorkingTitle, which is factual. But that comments above is your perception on their collaboration, which is subjective.

Also, sorry but I can't find MSFS inferior to X-Plane. In terms of flight dynamics? Sure. In terms of weather simulation? Not at all, it's the exact opposite. It's really hard to declare one clearly inferior when they both have their upsides and downsides.

"Even MSFS developers are admitting that MSFS is seriously lacking."

I also remember PMDG (and other few developers) mentioning X-Plane SDK is not good enough for them to bring their aircraft to X-Plane, which we both know is incorrect. If you don't take PMDG's comments on X-Plane seriously, why do you take their comments seriously on MSFS? From a developer's perspective, it's hard to see a major limitation that prevents high-fidelity add-ons on MSFS.

But whatever, I thought that is an X-Plane thread? We are excited about X-Plane's future, and we don't have access to whatever information you have. Is it a bad thing to discuss the future of something we love? If you find people's excitement on future of X-Plane off-putting, that's on you. I don't understand the reasoning behind shutting people who criticises X-Plane, especially given that many of criticisms are about factual issues with X-Plane. Are we really not allowed to say anything other than "X-Plane is for the real enthusiast, MSFS is for Xbox kids"? If X-Plane is indeed superior to MSFS in every single aspect then why do we need a new version anyway - this mentality is what slows development down.

Edited March 18, 20215 yr by BiologicalNanobot

Just now, GoranM said:

Just a small FYI, I’ll reply to the posts I want to reply to, without you policing my replies, or instructing me on what to read or listen to. 

So really you were the one just speculating without basis. 

Glad we cleared that up.

5 minutes ago, BiologicalNanobot said:

I don't see any factuality on this, sorry. They collaborated with WorkingTitle, which is factual. But that comments above is your perception on their collaboration, which is subjective.

Fine.  Agree to disagree.  You have your opinion.  I have mine.  I'm seeing too much lacking in the SDK and aircraft, and a team of programmers coming in.  Without them, I saw a scenery sim.  

9 minutes ago, BiologicalNanobot said:

I also remember PMDG (and other few developers) mentioning X-Plane SDK is not good enough for them to bring their aircraft to X-Plane, which we both know is incorrect. If you don't take PMDG's comments on X-Plane seriously, why do you take their comments seriously on MSFS? From a developer's perspective, it's hard to see a major limitation that prevents high-fidelity add-ons on MSFS.

I know the full story about PMDG and the X-Plane SDK.  You don't. Neither do the vast majority of people. And it's not my place to elaborate on that.  So we'll leave that where it is. What I CAN comment on is the X-Plane SDK and the MSFS SDK.  I am not taking PMDG's word on anything.  I've seen both SDK's. I've looked into them and what they offer.  And the MSFS SDK offers nothing even remotely close to what X-Plane offers.  

 

15 minutes ago, BiologicalNanobot said:

But whatever, I thought that is an X-Plane thread? We are excited about X-Plane's future, and we don't have access to whatever information you have. Is it a bad thing to discuss the future of something we love? If you find people's excitement on future of X-Plane off-putting, that's on you. I don't understand the reasoning behind shutting people who criticises X-Plane, especially given that many of criticisms are about factual issues with X-Plane. Are we really not allowed to say anything other than "X-Plane is for the real enthusiast, MSFS is for Xbox kids"? If X-Plane is indeed superior to MSFS in every single aspect then why do we need a new version anyway - this mentality is what slows down development.

I'm just as excited as the next person.  But have you even read some of the comments in this thread??  Who said I find peoples excitement of X-Plane off putting?  Are we even talking about the same thing here??  I don't have a problem with people criticizing X-Plane.  As long as the criticisms are FACTUAL.  Some of the comments in here are based on fantasy.  Facts don't even enter into the equation.  

As far as what you want to say about both sims, by all means, say what you want.  Anyone can.  But that includes opinions from both sides.  Can I not criticize MSFS in an X-Plane thread?  Especially when others think it's ok to come in here and do the opposite, resulting in locked threads?  I always say, if you can dish it out, be prepared to take it.  

As far as X-Plane being superior to MSFS in every single way, I never said that.  I feel that OVERALL, it's superior.  It has far more to offer.  That's my opinion based on what I know over the last 12 years of making add ons, and 24 years in flight simming.  12 of which were in the MSFS franchise.  

But hey, what do I know.  

7 minutes ago, GoranM said:

 Some of the comments in here are based on fantasy.

For example?

Go back and read the thread.

It's a shame this thread has turned again into a comparison of X-plane with the other simulators. 
This thread is about the interview with Austin, kindly provided for free by Nick Smith.

It's not the interviewer fault if Austin did not share much in terms of news and instead went on and on about the same things we heard several times.
Would be good to have Ben, Sid or any other XP core developers in a podcast. 

10 minutes ago, GoranM said:

Go back and read the thread.

Only person posting stuff with no references and based on fantasy still seems to be you.

You could potentially include JGregory, but he gets a free pass.

Even FlyBaby and Jarmstro have some basis for their opinions, even if I dont agree with them.

Edited March 18, 20215 yr by mSparks