40 minutes ago, Janov said:

One thing can not be mentioned often enough: X-Plane 12 will not leapfrog MSFS in visuals.

XP12 = unflyable.

🥴

2 hours ago, Janov said:

• Improved lighting
• Improved weather
• Improved multiplayer
• Improved aerodynamics (transonic/supersonic regime)
• New aircraft

I personally believe we will also see:

• Better mesh (resolution, landclass)
• Better roads (fidelity)
• Better vegetation
• Better support for electrically powered flight/VTOL
• More landmarks

.......and all running at 60fps on my phone?😂

21 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

.......and all running at 60fps on my phone?😂

And you will be able to see fireflies in the forests from 35000ft, and hear crickets chirping.

48 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

.......and all running at 60fps on my phone?😂

With no plugins and no idea what the difference is between a phone app and a full blown sim.

 

So I guess you don't mind doing something rather embarrassing.

 

 

Edited March 19, 20215 yr by GoranM

52 minutes ago, GoranM said:

With no plugins and no idea what the difference is between a phone app and a full blown sim.

 

So I guess you don't mind doing something rather embarrassing.

 

 

It would seems that sarcasm is lost on some people...

PS. I'm just in the process of downloading the update to the TorqueSim Islander. Est download time 1 hour 47 mins. Nice servers you've got there!

Edited March 19, 20215 yr by jarmstro

Ah. I gave you (obviously) too much credit of taking you at face value.  Thank you for clearing up your sarcasm. Can we look forward to more sarcastic comments from you?  
 

hmmm. That edit. Is that sarcasm?  I’m guessing no. Anyway, if you have a problem with the servers, talk to Bezos. X-Aviation uses Amazon servers. 

Edited March 19, 20215 yr by GoranM

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

It would seems that sarcasm is lost on some people...

PS. I'm just in the process of downloading the update to the TorqueSim Islander. Est download time 1 hour 47 mins. Nice servers you've got there!

Had no probs today but sometimes geesh

1 hour ago, GoranM said:

X-Aviation uses Amazon servers. 

That explains it then.

6 hours ago, GoranM said:

XP12 = unflyable.

🥴

That's obvious

The big question is, will it be flyable by say, the end of 2023.

Or will they wait for the MSFS marketing campaign to die down to announce anything, sometime after the XBox series X release in 2024.

Edited March 19, 20215 yr by mSparks

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

The big question is, will it be flyable by say, the end of 2023.

Or will they wait for the MSFS marketing campaign to die down to announce anything, sometime after the XBox series X release in 2024.

I doubt that Austin has ever made plans based on the competition. That's a foreign concept to him; he thinks his sim is the best. Of all the current civilian flight sims on the market, XP is the only one where the lead developer just doesn't care about what anyone else is doing. Lockheed Martin is somewhat in that category too with P3D, but the contrast is more stark when it's down to a single owner/lead developer like Austin. XP12 will happen when he thinks it's ready.

Objectively speaking, right now would be the best time to release XP12 while the new kid on the block is having teething issues and there aren't many aircraft to fly. But Austin doesn't think this way. 

 

1 hour ago, Paraffin said:

I doubt that Austin has ever made plans based on the competition. That's a foreign concept to him; he thinks his sim is the best. Of all the current civilian flight sims on the market, XP is the only one where the lead developer just doesn't care about what anyone else is doing. Lockheed Martin is somewhat in that category too with P3D, but the contrast is more stark when it's down to a single owner/lead developer like Austin. XP12 will happen when he thinks it's ready.

Well, the general "groupthink" reason being given for why they haven't announced anything is they are waiting for the MSFS marketing campaign to die down.. seen that thrown around by multiple influential names a lot these last 6 to 12 months.

1 hour ago, Paraffin said:

Objectively speaking, right now would be the best time to release XP12 while the new kid on the block is having teething issues and there aren't many aircraft to fly.

100% agree

1 hour ago, Paraffin said:

But Austin doesn't think this way. 

EDIT:

Also, .... 100% agree

OK, ~40 to 50% agree.

The other 60-50% of me thinks they are just so far from having any of this ready

10 hours ago, Janov said:

 

If you are still wondering what will be the new things in X-Plane 12, here is what has been confirmed and hinted at in various spots:

• Improved lighting
• Improved weather
• Improved multiplayer
• Improved aerodynamics (transonic/supersonic regime)
• New aircraft

I personally believe we will also see:

• Better mesh (resolution, landclass)
• Better roads (fidelity)
• Better vegetation
• Better support for electrically powered flight/VTOL
• More landmarks

 

 

Even for mobile - their priority.

That there just isn't any point in saying anything

Edited March 19, 20215 yr by mSparks

10 hours ago, Janov said:

One thing can not be mentioned often enough: X-Plane 12 will not leapfrog MSFS in visuals. There will be no streamed satellite scenery, the visuals will likely close the gap, but I warn everyone against expecting a "MSFS killer". Just to curb expectations.

Cheers, Jan

 

I don’t think many folk are looking for a “MSFS Killer” with respect to graphics…

XP just needs a facelift (or just be in the ballpark) given how far modern PC graphics (capabilities) have come.

In looking at just water and clouds (and away from XPs direct competition)…DCS World and the IL2 Series have great looking clouds and water because they realize that it adds to the immersion. Not mention their rain effects. If combat sims get it, why not a civil sim?

I am not expecting XP to beat out anyone per se, I just want the clouds to look like clouds (out to the horizon) and the water to look like water...without killing performance or me having to rely on payware / freeware for these “bare” features. It’s 2021…

3 minutes ago, FlyBaby said:

I don’t think many folk are looking for a “MSFS Killer” with respect to graphics…

 

XP just needs a facelift (or just be in the ballpark) given how far modern PC graphics (capabilities) have come.

 

In looking at just water and clouds (and away from XPs direct competition)…DCS World and the IL2 Series have great looking clouds and water because they realize that it adds to the immersion. Not mention their rain effects. If combat sims get it, why not a civil sim?

 

I am not expecting XP to beat out anyone per se, I just want the clouds to look like clouds (out to the horizon) and the water to look like water...without killing performance or me having to rely on payware / freeware for these “bare” features. It’s 2021…

 

But that's just unnecessary eye candy? All that matters is the flight model. And not committing heresy.

19 minutes ago, FlyBaby said:

XP just needs a facelift (or just be in the ballpark) given how far modern PC graphics (capabilities) have come.

 

In looking at just water and clouds (and away from XPs direct competition)…DCS World and the IL2 Series have great looking clouds and water because they realize that it adds to the immersion. Not mention their rain effects. If combat sims get it, why not a civil sim?

 

I am not expecting XP to beat out anyone per se, I just want the clouds to look like clouds (out to the horizon) and the water to look like water...without killing performance or me having to rely on payware / freeware for these “bare” features. It’s 2021…

I actually agree with you. And I think this is in line with what we can expect.

3 minutes ago, Janov said:

I actually agree with you. And I think this is in line with what we can expect.

When?