1 hour ago, Janov said:

For me it has become short reading, because most of the protagonists are on my ignore list! 😂

Like I said its called pride, im right and everyone else is wrong, its the curse of mankind, especially learned ones.

2 hours ago, Bjoern said:

Oh lord, this thread is still going.  [Closes tab]

 

1 hour ago, mjrhealth said:

You know what happens when you put stinky meat out, the flies keep coming. close this one another will start up, its called pride.

It amazes me how folk will "comment" and try to belittle others because they think that a thread should have ended, has run its course, or isn't going anywhere...particularly when they sought to "add" to the discussion earlier.

If a thread is worthless, why bother commenting at all??? or is that you are just frustrated because "you" ran out of things to add (or was properly rejected) and are no relevant to the discussion???

I mean, didn't both of you "fly" in here at some point to smell what was cooking, and then tried to add your own flavor???

Silence says much...

 

19 minutes ago, RXP said:

ok!

Here's a better shot of me on my bike for an advert we did

And the same location in sim (where I land in those videos) - I even put the sun reflection in the same place on the glass for you

Even subjectively whats actually wrong with the second picture in terms of tone mapping?

11 minutes ago, FlyBaby said:

To me nothing about XPs clouds and water are acceptable

But I was asking what you think is acceptable?

Are you thinking Quake 2 water

Or GTA5 water

or what?

You must have something in mind?

 

4 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Here's a better shot of me on my bike for an advert we did

And the same location in sim (where I land in those videos) - I even put the sun reflection in the same place on the glass for you

Even subjectively whats actually wrong with the second picture in terms of tone mapping?

But I was asking what you think is acceptable?

Are you thinking Quake 2 water

Or GTA5 water

or what?

You must have something in mind?

 

(Man...haven't been on a supersport in years...switched to streetfighter style bikes and never looked back...)

you must have missed where I said...

22 minutes ago, FlyBaby said:

...anything "near" what MSFS / DCS / IL2 offers in terms of visuals will do.

 

31 minutes ago, FlyBaby said:

(Man...haven't been on a supersport in years...switched to streetfighter style bikes and never looked back...)

you must have missed where I said...

 

So rather than

you want

 

Erm.... OK..... not feeling that to be an improvement myself.

(personally I like motorcross, but they're no good for getting 400euro speeding fines on the German autobahn)

 

Edited March 19, 20215 yr by mSparks

31 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Erm.... OK..... not feeling that to be an improvement myself.

 

 

Fair enough...I will go with whatever "you" consider to an "improvement" over what is currently available for XP.

I won't spent much more time than this on the topic of tone-mapping (and I'll add water in the mix), but here are a few screenshot I feel are illustrating these concepts to me.

NB: there are jpeg 8 bits, but when running live on 4K HDR 10 bits the difference with the XP11 tone mapper is even higher.

tone mapping + exposure:

 

Tone mapping (try not focusing on chroma - it is quite vivid - but to luma only):

 

Exposure:

 

Water:

 

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Edited March 19, 20215 yr by RXP

39 minutes ago, RXP said:

I won't spent much more time than this on the topic of tone-mapping (and I'll add water in the mix), but here are a few screenshot I feel are illustrating these concepts to me.

NB: there are jpeg 8 bits, but when running live on 4K HDR 10 bits the difference with the XP11 tone mapper is even higher.

tone mapping + exposure:

 

Tone mapping (try not focusing on chroma - it is quite vivid - but to luma only):

 

Exposure:

 

Water:

 

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well.

If they can manage those at a solid 60fps in VR I certainly wont be complaining.

If they can't I'll just be sad, because I can never go back to 2D, no matter how much the 2D looks better than now. And I'm not aware of anyone who has managed it.

I am however not convinced we'll see it in xplane at all, because thats not coming to a mobile device near you any time soon unless its streamed from a stadia like service, and Austin expects there to be no difference between desktop and mobile xplane. Plus afaik, the top end macs do not have gpus capable of that even in 2D, and austin is a mac guy...

They dont even have time to fix the current borken ssao.

Edited March 20, 20215 yr by mSparks

2 hours ago, FlyBaby said:

and try to belittle others because they think that a thread should have ende

Isnt that what every one doing on this forum?? What is there to say. XPLANe is going ahead. Be patient.

 

I just come here for a laugh, people are far to serious these days.

Edited March 20, 20215 yr by mjrhealth

@RXP what tonemapping operator does default X-Plane use? I assume it's standard Reinhard x / (x + 1) curve, but I'm unable to check as it's a lot harder to access raw shader code since 11.50. Using Uncharted 2 (or ACES, but I think its "toe" is too strong) tonemapper with X-Plane is something I really want, I wish there was an easy way to access shader code like before...

Edited March 20, 20215 yr by BiologicalNanobot

48 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

Isnt that what every one doing on this forum??

I don't think everyone is here to belittle others...

So, it "sounds" like you come here expecting this...and I suspect...to dish out a little...belittle...yourself.

48 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

What is there to say. XPLANe is going ahead. Be patient.

But you obviously chose to say more...to belittle folk.

48 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

I just come here for a laugh, people are far to serious these days.

So "everyone" belittles others...and are far too serious.

Given the above...I wonder why you would even bother with this forum. I mean...one could sit back...read the forum...and have a good laugh...without "bothering" to comment.

4 hours ago, mjrhealth said:

You know what happens when you put stinky meat out, the flies keep coming. close this one another will start up, its called pride.

SMH...(does he even realize that he is talking about himself???)

Edited March 20, 20215 yr by FlyBaby

now now kids, play nice, there is absolutely no need to start slinging mud around. You're both better than that.

Edited March 20, 20215 yr by mSparks

@BiologicalNanobot I don't know what they are now using in XP11.50, and I don't remember what it was before (I'll have to look in my archives and I don't want to right now LOL). It could have been Reinhard or Uncharted 2, and my code was adding the one referenced in the blog post I've mentioned prior:

http://filmicworlds.com/blog/filmic-tonemapping-operators/

Here is the link to my post where I was explaining how to manually change the shaders. It comes with a few different implementations and the original code commented out:

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/149559-enhanced-rendering-for-free-and-post-processsing/&do=findComment&comment=1422168

4 hours ago, mSparks said:

And the same location in sim (where I land in those videos) - I even put the sun reflection in the same place on the glass for you

Even subjectively whats actually wrong with the second picture in terms of tone mapping?

The trees in the lower shot perfectly illustrate why X-Plane is in need of modernisation.

47 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

The trees in the lower shot perfectly illustrate why X-Plane is in need of modernisation.

actually, the main thing those trees need is someone to make a variety of decent versions, what you can see there is the low poly versions for long distance, they actually look pretty good close up and in VR they work well because the thin quad facing you basically vanishes at that distance.

But I did yell a little at Ben Supnik on slack to please put the trees and vegetation near the top of their list a few months ago, they are much more of an issue than clouds or water for me. Not that I expected it to change his mind or anything, but I'm pretty sure it was before that feedback site went up... Just felt I had to say something at the time.

 i would not give any of the flight sims a passing grade for their vegitation though, and in many ways I prefer HD_forests to what I've been seeing in msfs.