5 hours ago, FlyBaby said:

Suzuki GSX S1000

That's a great bike.

Fz1 here. 

8 hours ago, jarmstro said:

There's already a plane that exceeds Mach1

I'm talking about the scenery and the ability of streamed scenery to keep up with the plane, not the plane itself.

Not that there is anything really wrong with LV16, looks fine from FL200

Edited March 23, 20215 yr by mSparks

11 hours ago, jarmstro said:

The point here is that in every area where XP could initially claim some superiority it is being caught and will soon be overtaken. (A lot of which is down to the community though I will admit!)

But even some of XPs features come down to the community...just look at their airports.

To your point...the drive (Asobo with VR, WT with avionics, Freeware Heli) behind MSFS is faster than anything I have seen with any other sim (all genres), and they will soon catch up to or exceed he competition...or what the community (engagement) requests.

If it takes XP12 1 or 2 years to release, how much further will the competition have advanced (features, user base, 3PDevs etc)?

32 minutes ago, FlyBaby said:

But even some of XPs features come down to the community...just look at their airports.

To your point...the drive (Asobo with VR, WT with avionics, Freeware Heli) behind MSFS is faster than anything I have seen with any other sim (all genres), and they will soon catch up to or exceed he competition...or what the community (engagement) requests.

If it takes XP12 1 or 2 years to release, how much further will the competition have advanced (features, user base, 3PDevs etc)?

None of the XP loyalists will care. It's a cult. With a cult leader to worship. I do care having spent a fortune on it.

1 minute ago, jarmstro said:

None of the XP loyalists will care. It's a cult. With a cult leader to worship. I do care having spent a fortune on it.

What are you doing here? You constantly offend and attack X-Plane community. Troll.

56 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

None of the XP loyalists will care. It's a cult. With a cult leader to worship. I do care having spent a fortune on it.

Little maybe

But absolutely nothing compared to those who worship Bill Gates and Satya Nadella.

Everyone else is just to busy simming or building stuff to make simming better

Edited March 23, 20215 yr by mSparks

5 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Little maybe

But absolutely nothing compared to those who worship Bill gates and Satya Nadella.

Well whatever. I just wish LR would update XP. And quickly. And I hope there is a big performance boost or I probably won't be able to run it.

13 hours ago, jarmstro said:

PS There's a helicopter now too.

Not really. I give major credit to the modder who was able to hack the fixed wing flight model to this extent, but it's not a realistic helicopter flight model as we're used to with XP or DCS. 

I'm skeptical that this approach can get to anything much closer, but at least it's a stopgap while everyone waits for MS/Asobo to develop a rotary wing flight model. 

 

5 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

I just wish LR would update XP

Tough week?

Last LR XP update was March 18th, that was like 5 days ago.....

18 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Tough week?

Last LR XP update was March 18th, that was like 5 days ago.....

Yeah, bored to death. Work and no play. Still in lockdown. Haven't seen my grandchildren for eight months.🥵 It's worse than North Korea here.

Not much of an update? Didn't notice any difference to be honest. What was in it?

18 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Yeah, bored to death. Work and no play. Still in lockdown. Haven't seen my grandchildren for eight months.🥵 It's worse than North Korea here.

Not much of an update? Didn't notice any difference to be honest. What was in it?

Mostly stuff we've talked about for the last 4 or 5 weeks, only official

https://developer.x-plane.com/2021/03/departures-and-arrivals-lua-bug-fixes-g2-controllers-and-stuff/

But I say, I don't expect to see anything new for a long while yet, not because they aren't busy, but because new stuff is only just getting started - and from a simulator POV things are taking greater and greater effort for smaller and smaller differences.

Do you VR?

If not and you want a brand new and run around the house screaming "OMG THIS IS AMAZING" experience, grab yourself a headset. 

Edited March 23, 20215 yr by mSparks

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

None of the XP loyalists will care. It's a cult. With a cult leader to worship. I do care having spent a fortune on it.

I think that is part of the reason why XP is where it is right now...stale and cornered.

To me, Austin relied too much on the cult like following and did not listen to the call of others to give XP a broader appeal (graphics, clouds etc).

Now...that loyal base is not large enough to support / fund real advances, and that "broader" market has latched on to the competition.

Below (video) is where Austin was around the announcement of MSFS...he was either clueless or did not think much of what the broader market wanted. Around the 2:30 mark, he comments about people switching over to X-Plane...

He even showcased his vertical plane project at the flight sim convention...distracting from the fact that he had no real immediate updates for XP (other than the long awaited Vulkan)...and completely disconnected from what users wanted. Low and behold, the  MSFS trailer bomb dropped, and XP was suddenly much further behind...

Now...is Austin continuing down this "lackadaisical" path with respect to what the broader market wants, or did he completely shift gears? And how long will it take for anything substantial to "appear" in the sim?

 

 

 

 

Edited March 23, 20215 yr by FlyBaby

44 minutes ago, FlyBaby said:

stale and cornered.

You're joking right? XP11 is the only simulator with fully functional tubes in VR, and VR is the future.

For VFR its graphics are better than all but the most expensive multi thousand dollar headsets can display.

Edited March 23, 20215 yr by mSparks

2 hours ago, mSparks said:

You're joking right? XP11 is the only simulator with fully functional tubes in VR, and VR is the future.

So is this a mass market appeal when it comes to flight simulation or a niche appeal? What is the percentage of simmers using VR?

2 hours ago, mSparks said:

For VFR its graphics are better than all but the most expensive multi thousand dollar headsets can display.

Not going to debate this...we simply disagree..

"Stale and cornered"....

For the broader sim market (that includes those casual simmers no one wants to give credit to), XP is stale.

For the niche in a niche market who can't fund further high tech development (or even the subgroup that will stick with XP11 no matter what), XP is cornered.

 

 

9 minutes ago, FlyBaby said:

when it comes to flight simulation or a niche appeal? What is the percentage of simmers using VR?

In the latest Navigraph survey I believe I've read 20% have a headset, 10% are using it regularly for simming. It seems low at first, but when comparing with Steam's stats which is around 2.5% IIRC, it is not bad at all.