@mSparks I like the comparison videos with XP11 (above) and XP12 with Google Earth Steaming (below) 😎

3 minutes ago, RXP said:

@mSparks I like the comparison videos with XP11 (above) and XP12 with Google Earth Steaming (below) 😎

Just been redoing my ortho.

Thats BI level 16, ~30GB for:

Absolutely no need for streaming.

5 hours ago, JGregory said:

Wrong in oh so many ways

If that were so, you would have just let it go. 

4 hours ago, mjrhealth said:

How this works.

If Austin did say what they where doing, people would complain, as you see above, Its not what I want.

If they set a date, people will complain, its not quick enough.

If they released something, it isnt what I wanted its broken,

If they told you of they are fixing it, People will complain you shouldnt have released it although we demanded it.

Than when they give you what you want, you will find something else to complain about.

You have all spend fat to much time with our friend @Greazer he doesnt have to post anymore because you all seem to be doing it for Him.

What a happy bunch you are.

Let me ask you this...what is LR bringing out in the next 3 months, 6 months or a year?

Now ask that same question for MSFS, DCS, or DTG's TSW2 and you can go to their sites / forums, see a roadmap or update threads to find an answer.

The crowd will always complain no matter what (that excuse is as tiring as "waiting for the hype train to slow down"). However, there is something to be said for Devs who engage with their customers frequenlty, take in the feedback and make changes to address concerns / wishes.

You won't find "future" guessing threads in these other forums, and you won't find these other Devs going years without several substantial updates to their sim.

 

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

Pretty sure the main problem is precisely the opposite of that. They have such a great product already its tough to find ways to improve on it in order to justify a new major version.

 

So I guess we are just not going to talk those clouds, water....??? I mean, that might be a tough conversation to have with a Dev who doesn't really communicate much.

And if not a new version, where are these improvements to the current version??? DCS is coming out with a new cloud system for their free platform!!!

Again, other DEVs are moving forward...

 

1 hour ago, FlyBaby said:

So I guess we are just not going to talk those clouds, water....??? I mean, that might be a tough conversation to have with a Dev who doesn't really communicate much.

And if not a new version, where are these improvements to the current version??? DCS is coming out with a new cloud system for their free platform!!!

Again, other DEVs are moving forward...

 

Thats just DCS playing catch up with P3Dv5 trusky and

the free 9 different versions of Enhanced Cloudscapes (good for stable 60fps in VR - in my vid I just posted previous page)

https://github.com/FarukEroglu2048/Enhanced-Cloudscapes/network/members

to the significant investment put into X-Enviro over the two years since

So not something that would really make XP12 stand out, in fact I have my doubts they could even best XE in any meaningful way, the limiting factor there is peoples hardware, and none of these updates by anyone are aimed at laptops with Intel graphics, let alone the voodoo 2 competitors that ship on mobile devices.

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The real potentials for improvement are invisible to end users - the tools for developing the aircraft, but even when they are done and released it will take a decent amount of time for plane devs to make use of them to create enticing aircraft, plus xp11 is literally decades ahead of all the completion with its development tools already (which is why DCS only has like a few dozen aircraft, and MSFS is yet to have even 1 - compared to pretty much everything ever made that flies for xp11, and many more that will be made at some point in the future...)

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4 hours ago, mSparks said:

Absolutely no need for streaming.

.....if you're happy flying at the same place with low quality ortho.

6 hours ago, FlyBaby said:

If that were so, you would have just let it go. 

Let me ask you this...what is LR bringing out in the next 3 months, 6 months or a year?

Now ask that same question for MSFS, DCS, or DTG's TSW2 and you can go to their sites / forums, see a roadmap or update threads to find an answer.

The crowd will always complain no matter what (that excuse is as tiring as "waiting for the hype train to slow down"). However, there is something to be said for Devs who engage with their customers frequenlty, take in the feedback and make changes to address concerns / wishes.

You won't find "future" guessing threads in these other forums, and you won't find these other Devs going years without several substantial updates to their sim.

 

Am I fussed. no, we have Vulcan made xplane so much better. All the nice haves make litel compared to enjoyment I have when I fly, which is what it is ,a flight sim, everyone was fairy happy till the new pretty girl with the sexy legs came along and all the boys went google eyed, now they wont be happy till till they have mozzies buzzing around the garden that they can hear from 20000 ft.

9 hours ago, mSparks said:

Really doesn't demand a new release, the other sims are years off anything remotely close.

That's true if you like retro gaming.😂 And as he, to whom we must all bow low said: it's just a game. I wish you joy as the world leaves you in the past.

Personally I find it rather embarrassing waving a phone in front of my face to pretend I'm flying a plane no matter how good the flight model.😀

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2 hours ago, jarmstro said:

That's true if you like retro gaming.😂 And as he, to whom we must all bow low said: it's just a game. I wish you joy as the world leaves you in the past.

Personally I find it rather embarrassing waving a phone in front of my face to pretend I'm flying a plane no matter how good the flight model.😀

would i like a gpu with twice the processing power of an rtx3070, yes

can Laminar or anyone else make one - no

so until then that video I just posted is as good as todays high end hardware (given it is only just managing 60fps in VR - and really it should be 90fps) can really deliver, save some fluffy extra bits around the edges.

This is very much my original complaint of what msfs did.

Is it possible to get better graphics in a slideshow - sure, but if you can't actually flight sim with it they have zero value. 

5 hours ago, Greazer said:

.....if you're happy flying at the same place with low quality ortho.

decals clear up the low quality (and at VR resolutions you really cant tell the difference with any higher anyway), time it takes to download is identical streamed or not streamed, just not streamed doesnt have the pop in.

I wouldnt call this "low res" anyway

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43 minutes ago, mSparks said:

would i like a gpu with twice the processing power of an rtx3070, yes

can Laminar or anyone else make one - no

so until then that video I just posted is as good as todays high end hardware (given it is only just managing 60fps in VR - and really it should be 90fps) can really deliver, save some fluffy extra bits around the edges.

This is very much my original complaint of what msfs did.

Is it possible to get better graphics in a slideshow - sure, but if you can't actually flight sim with it they have zero value. 

decals clear up the low quality (and at VR resolutions you really cant tell the difference with any higher anyway), time it takes to download is identical streamed or not streamed, just not streamed doesnt have the pop in.

I wouldnt call this "low res" anyway

I've got to hand it to you. Your persistence and refusal to face reality is truly astonishing.

37 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

I've got to hand it to you. Your persistence and refusal to face reality is truly astonishing.

I've got to hand it to you, your evidence based arguments are better than most western politicians. Number of times I've asked for a MSFS shot of that location and turned up nothing leads me to the conclusion that they don't actually do better. Willing to change my mind if there is something to show to the contrary.

Which again comes back to what Laminar actually need to do for XP12, when they are already better at scenery than MSFS in most of the world.

We did NYC the other week

 

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13 hours ago, mSparks said:

Thats just DCS playing catch up with P3Dv5 trusky and

 

How is that you "downplay" the efforts of DCS, and then post a vid (years old) of Austin reviewing X-Enviro where he admits that XPs clouds are not that great. XE has been struggling for years to get that product "usable"...how much did Austin collaborate with them?

In contrast, Asobo received feedback from both the community and Devs about the poor level of their garmin avionics...taking the feedback, Asobo collaborated with Working Title (producing freeware) to improve their Garmin systems.

That is clear example of how engaging with the community...works.

Again...moving forward...

Back to DCS....their planes are "study level" encompassing not only flight dynamics & avionics, but also radar & target acquisition, weapons systems, defense systems,  damage models, and other combat features. It ain't just civil flight.

So even if they are just catching up...as "you" say...how much further along are they than XP given that their "old cloud" system was better than XP.

So again @mSparks, these are Devs taking feedback, adjusting and improving...constantly.

Where is LR with engagement and improvement?

 

Edited March 17, 20215 yr by FlyBaby

21 hours ago, FlyBaby said:

LR does their own thing, and their PC app cannot capitalize on additional revenue streams to help fund constant / frequent development. DCS, MSFS, & TSW2 all have revenue streams beyond their initial sale to fund frequent development. MSFS had an operating store with products on day 1.

LR does have additional income streams from the mobile version, the FAA-certified XP Pro version, and side contracts with aerospace companies. LR has some similarities with LM's P3D in not really needing to tap fees from 3rd party products to fund the sim development.
 

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All of these other Devs are in constant major development with improvement / additions to their platform not to mention their emphasis on community engagement (feedback / livestreams / roadmap). With these other sims, users have something to look forward to each month / quarter.

I have to speak up for LR's community engagement and update process. They have a far superior system of opt-in Beta branch for previewing and testing changes in the sim, compared to the new kid on the block.

I don't know if you've been over to the MSFS forum here lately, but that sim is suffering from "one step forward, two steps back" syndrome with new patches, along with a strange reluctance to hotfix anything seriously broken. There is no way to revert to a previous version. People have to wait two weeks or more for the next update, and live with whatever new artifacts and glitches were introduced. It's nowhere near as smooth as we're used to with XP, or any AAA game released through Steam where you can also opt-in to a beta branch. 

LR is doing this right, and we do get some info and feedback through the Dev blog site. 

 

I like the idea of a merged codebase for mobile and desktop, as long as they make the cross-platform compiling work reliably and as long as it can be scaled well enough for any hardware. Vulkan and FMOD are supported by Android, so that's already two obstacles out of the way anyway. Now have them implement better ATC for both platforms (trivial), a more efficient AI system (with a few default planes for mobile and an open API for easy extension by third parties on PCs/Macs), a better weather system (billboard or low res volumetric on mobile, high res volumetric on PCs/Macs), cross-platform multiplayer and an up to date SDK with a native Vulkan API for plugin support on PCs/Macs and they'll have a sim sandbox that will make most users happy. Scenery is a different affair considering limited storage space on mobile devices, but this is just a matter of doing a detailed one for PCs/Macs and then stripping it down (in terms of art assets, mesh, vector and texture resolution) for mobile. Consideration for mobile hardware would also benefit users on older PCs/Macs, as long as the GPU is Vulkan-capable. And Laminar won't have to manage two entirely separate codebases. Everbody wins.

14 minutes ago, Bjoern said:

I like the idea of a merged codebase for mobile and desktop, as long as they make the cross-platform compiling work reliably and as long as it can be scaled well enough for any hardware. Vulkan and FMOD are supported by Android, so that's already two obstacles out of the way anyway. Now have them implement better ATC for both platforms (trivial), a more efficient AI system (with a few default planes for mobile and an open API for easy extension by third parties on PCs/Macs), a better weather system (billboard or low res volumetric on mobile, high res volumetric on PCs/Macs), cross-platform multiplayer and an up to date SDK with a native Vulkan API for plugin support on PCs/Macs and they'll have a sim sandbox that will make most users happy. Scenery is a different affair considering limited storage space on mobile devices, but this is just a matter of doing a detailed one for PCs/Macs and then stripping it down (in terms of art assets, mesh, vector and texture resolution) for mobile. Consideration for mobile hardware would also benefit users on older PCs/Macs, as long as the GPU is Vulkan-capable. And Laminar won't have to manage two entirely separate codebases. Everbody wins.

I look forward to waving my phone in front of my face and prodding the little screen to try and set the ILS frequency on the Toliss 319.😂 Seriously?
 

Let's face it the cult God Meyers time is up. He's thrown in the towel and will dumb down to make his money.  And who can blame him? He's been usurped by a giant organisation because he sat back on his laurels growing fat. A classic case of complacency so often repeated.

Edited March 17, 20215 yr by jarmstro