7 hours ago, fppilot said:

Anyone know certain of a flight school using MSFS (2020) for training?  A local school here asked me about MSFS today and I suggested they confer with a flight school that has it in use.  Again training.  I agreed to ask around to find two or three schools they might contact for references.

Unless software is approved by FAA as Aviation Training Device one cannot officially use it as part of your training that it actually go to your log book with CFI signature. 

But really anything can be used as training aid. That includes MSFS as well. Back in days when I learn to fly  I used so called "chair flying". I just sat on chair and pretend I'm in cockpit running checklists and touching knobs. Laster I used FS5 to prepare for solo cross county. But none of training aid I sued were  standard flight school procedure but rather individual CFI preference/ method of teaching

7 hours ago, ryanbatcund said:

I have no idea but I do know DOD is pushing big-time for MSFS instead of P3D.

I also have no idea, but DOD already had contract to develop BlackShark AI  like software  10-15 years ago. Of course I'm nog going to comment how do I know 🙂

7 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Unless software is approved by FAA as Aviation Training Device one cannot officially use it as part of your training that it actually go to your log book with CFI signature. 

But really anything can be used as training aid. That includes MSFS as well. Back in days when I learn to fly  I used so called "chair flying". I just sat on chair and pretend I'm in cockpit running checklists and touching knobs. Laster I used FS5 to prepare for solo cross county. But none of training aid I sued were  standard flight school procedure but rather individual CFI preference/ method of teaching

Thank you but my question was quite succint.  Do you know of any that have it in use, today.  Y/N?

10 minutes ago, fppilot said:

Thank you but my question was quite succint.  Do you know of any that have it in use, today.  Y/N?

Used for what? As training aid or aviation training device ? Training aid - may be. As aviation training device - I haven’t seen ony sim based on MSFS visuals . May be in year or so

19 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Used for what? As training aid or aviation training device ? Training aid - may be. As aviation training device - I haven’t seen ony sim based on MSFS visuals . May be in year or so

Their question was for training.  Visuals were not discussed but perhaps should have been.  An element that MSFS admittedly possesses in many areas are visual cues for use in patterns and approaches.  Those however are specifc to the patterns and approaches for each individual airport.  Should learn the value of those for general training I guess, but that goes beyond the nature of their question.  I took it to mean "should we migrate" more than anything else, and they were not interested in my view.  They were inquiring about in-use in training at other airports.  And that is the nature of the question.  Nothing more. Nothing less. 

They were not seeking opinions from any source but training venues.  So "others need not apply" I presume.

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8 hours ago, ryanbatcund said:

 I do know DOD is pushing big-time for MSFS instead of P3D.

Evidence?

5 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

Evidence?

 

29 minutes ago, fppilot said:

Their question was for training.  Visuals were not discussed but perhaps should have been.  An element that MSFS admittedly possesses in many areas are visual cues for use in patterns and approaches.  Those however are specifc to the patterns and approaches for each individual airport.  Should learn the value of those for general training I guess, but that goes beyond the nature of their question.  I took it to mean "should we migrate" more than anything else, and they were not interested in my view.  They were inquiring about in-use in training at other airports.  And that is the nature of the question.  Nothing more. Nothing less. 

They were not seeking opinions from any source but training venues.  So "others need not apply" I presume.

Ok look at this from this side. I can use MSFS as training aid on my own and no one can stop me from doing so . I can recommend MSFS to my as training aid as well but in capacity relevant to particular subject of training  we going through! That is traffic pattern, landmarks, flows and etc. Just like you mention above! Make sense ?

Now! I can’t do my instrument proficiency in MSFS because I can’t legally log my approaches for a reason that  MSFS is not certified by FAA. Similarly  I can’t use MSFS for my  student to log 2.5 hours towards his private certificate.

 But it  doesn’t matter whether school or CFI are using MSFS. You can use MSFS yourself as you see it fit. You already aware of benefits of MSFS, so am I!
 

 As mentioned before I use FS5 on my own when I was in training. No one really recommended me to use it, but I saw it’s benefits. I just mentioned it to my CFI he was ok with it. But I did not really need his permission.

If you come overprepared for a lesson, CFI should only welcome it. So it doesn’t  matter if flight school is using MSFS or not! You already know how to use MSFS beneficial to you! hope it helps!

 

 

I could see MSFS implemented in this training program : https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News/Article/Article/2438835/ultra-low-cost-simulation-program-augments-pilot-training/

11 hours ago, ryanbatcund said:

I have no idea but I do know DOD is pushing big-time for MSFS instead of P3D.

Not surprised at all. I’ve been saying since almost the beginning that MS would try to get into the pro market and that means the schools and military. You do not engage in a project like that just for kiddos and old men.

As it is (the Twin Earth dimension), MS has obviously laid the foundation for MFS to be a military trainer. Not yet here but who knows what are the parallel developments. 

That would be an excellent news.This is where the big money is, not with short attention span xbox users. It would help the perennity of the sim.

As fort the DoD helping to develop Blackshark.ai type of solutions see for instance 

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2009.04836.pdf

 

 

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