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I have a Dell XPS 410 E6700 4G ram and the 24In wide screen.Monday I will have a new 550w Power Supply, a Nvidia 8800 GTX and Vista Utlimate installed. Should I go with the 32bit or the 64bit forFSX.

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Wow, you're BRAVE! Going for Vista on the first day it's available. I won't touch that POS for at LEAST 6 months if not longer....I'd say the most important factor in your decision should be driver support. From what I've read, the 64 bit version still doesn't have much for driver support, and Vista 64 will have the same incompatibility issues with software that XP x64 Edition had (IE, many things just didn't work and it had lowsy driver support.)Honestly, I hate to say it, but you're probably better off with the 32 bit version right now. I had really hoped MS was going to give Vista 64 top billing and priority and force everythign to go 64 and only have the 32 bit version around for older machines, but all the Tier-1's are delivering the 32 bit version with their systems (even though nearly every PC sold in the last year is 64 bit capable!)Go with the 32 bit... Or better yet, stick with XP for the next 6 months... There's ZERO reason to go to Vista right now....--Mike

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32-bit, end of story...unless of course you are a masochist, then by all means go with 64-bit. The pain you will experience will be exquisite and the suffering monumental. (he says as he dons his leather mask)

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If you're really determined to install Vista go with the 32-bit version.Doug

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hmm, well given the way Operate, I will at least give the 64 bit a try, I had no problems with it before with xp64, If you have a 64 bit processor, then your motherboard should have all the 64 bit drivers. And windows 64 will fill in the rest of your system drivers much like it does now. The only problem I ever had was finding a version of java that would run. Its pretty stupid to offer 2 versions of vista they should have just had them together, 32bit and 64bit that way people can make the crossover easily. But i'll find a hacked version and try it out. Im anxious to see its functionality with fsx. I'll report my findings.

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Well, I've been using the 64-bit versions of both Win XP and Windows Server 2003 on 2 of my machines (both used for FSX development) and FS runs on em just fine (haven't tried 64-bit Vista on either of them yet though, gotta check and see if we released the Service Pack for Visual Studio yet so it will be supported on Vista :-> ). As has been said, check to make sure you can find 64-bit drivers for the hardware you plan to use (most on motherboard stuff is generally covered fairly well at this point, but some USB/Firewire based devices that don't use OS provided class drivers might be a little behind the curve still :-> )

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"I'll try a hacked version and try it out".I would advise you to keep that kind of information to yourself. Piracy doesn't go over well here at Avsim. Being this is your first post, you've been warned.

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FSX Beta ran just fine on 64 bit Vista beta, No reason to assume the retail version would be any worse.George

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its not about running FSX (which does run more slowly than Win32), its about its need for Microsoft certified drivers only. There are a LOT of interim drivers for Vista that have yet to be Microsoft certifed and they won't run. Also there are quite a few drivers for FS hardware that are not WHQL certified and therefore WON'T run on x64.Anyway... of course, don't say that you haven't been warned.

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Personaly I wouldn't touch Vista with a 10 foot pole until after the first service pack which will no doubt happen. I recently read and article re: Vista and gaming and not only did it not perform well but there still are issues with obtaining correct drivers for many different hardware devices. As an example XP will let you use any driver you care to use whereas Vista will only allow you to use Windows or WHQL certified drivers. Thats my opinion at any rate. I don't care to be a Beta Tester for Vista. You may want to read this article before jumping on the Vista bandwagon. http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/17/gam...rse-with-vista/This is a quote from the article you might find interesting since you said you had an 8800 series graphics card:"you will notice from the test setup chart below that I used the Nvidia GeForce 7900GTX and not the GeForce 8800GTX. This is due to the driver situation. There currently isn't a public driver for the 8000 series cards and I used what the rest of the world can download today. This is a comparison of Vista to XP. The cards tested are irrelevant as they stay the same between the tests." Craig

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I would go 64 bit, even though there won't be a 64 bit FSX. I tested fs9 on 64 bit XP and it seemed to run alot smoother.

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32bit. Hands down. A lot of 64bit drivers are not available and there is no benefit/performance increase whatsoever in going to 64bit unless the application is highly optimized. Maybe in 1-2 years, but certainly not now.Good luck!

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> I recently read and article re: Vista and gaming and not>only did it not perform well but there still are issues with>obtaining correct drivers for many different hardware devices.>That's par for the course for OS releases going back years though.> As an example XP will let you use any driver you care to use>whereas Vista will only allow you to use Windows or WHQL certified>drivers.>Wow, is that so? Man that is not good, hopefully that will change. So, you are saying that I could not use, for example, a tweaked vid driver that's not WHQL cert'ed?If so, that is no good at all.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2310 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2 GB Corsair XMS 2.5-3-3-8 (1T), WD 250 gig 7200 rpm SATA2, CoolerMaster Praetorian case

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>> I recently read and article re: Vista and gaming and not>>only did it not perform well but there still are issues with>>obtaining correct drivers for many different hardware>devices.>>>>That's par for the course for OS releases going back years>though.>>> As an example XP will let you use any driver you care to>use>>whereas Vista will only allow you to use Windows or WHQL>certified>>drivers.>>>>Wow, is that so? Man that is not good, hopefully that will>change. So, you are saying that I could not use, for example,>a tweaked vid driver that's not WHQL cert'ed?>>If so, that is no good at all.>>>>Rhett>>AMD 3700+ (@2310 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS>A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2 GB Corsair XMS 2.5-3-3-8 (1T), WD>250 gig 7200 rpm SATA2, CoolerMaster Praetorian case At this point in time you would not be able to use a tweaked driver that's not certified. Craig

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And probably never if the insanity surrounding Vista continues. Big brother, indeed, is watching...Doug

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NIETHER! Stick with XP Pro for at LEAST six months (a year is probably better. This will allow (1) widely availabe stable generic drivers to be out there (2) probably a service pack. Keep in mind many of your applications may not work especially security and utilities. This will NOT be like going from Windows 98 to XP this is a rewritten OS with different ways of handling memory, users, applications, and security. That's a big reason why I've been advising everyone to wait, ESPECIALLY as far as an upgrade. If you MUST have Vista when it's out at least get a new machine with it preinstalled-less headaches than the "upgrade."I predict that on 02/01/07 these boards will be full of threads about problems. Don't do it!Vista?Don't want it.Don't need it.Don't Care!

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To quote Gypsy Baron from a differnt post to this one.quote...Not a snoballs chance in ####...As a matter of fact, I believe I'll purchase anther copyor two of XP Pro.I am of the mind set that what I do with my computer andon my computer is my business and I don't want M$ tryingto dictate how I use my computer any more thatn it alreadydoes with XP.I don't need, nor do I want, any of the pretty bells & whistlesjust as I didn't want or need them with XP. My XP desktop andfolder setup looks just like those on my #3 & # 4 machines thatare still running Win98SE and Win95.I don't need the additional BLOAT of Vista. I now have 2GB or ramon my #1 machine and that suffices to run FSX at a satisfactorylevel.I am adamantly against DRM in any form and won't purchase Vistaas long as that is built in...which translates to "I shall neverpurchase Vista"!unquoteAll I can add to that is Double Ditto. Why in *** would I want Vistawhen everything I have works just fine. I dont need the bloatwareand I certainly dont need the spyware. As for DX10 phhhhht.

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>> As an example XP will let you use any driver you care to>use>>whereas Vista will only allow you to use Windows or WHQL>certified>>drivers.>>>>Wow, is that so? Man that is not good, hopefully that will>change. So, you are saying that I could not use, for example,>a tweaked vid driver that's not WHQL cert'ed?>>If so, that is no good at all.No you cannot.More than that, in the certain situations on Vista running certified drivers and hardware (and you have to run those) you may have your hardware shut down forcibly by MS, and/or drivers "un-certified" by MS (yes they can revoke certification remotely and the driver will stop working, unless your PC is not connected to internet and you do not upgrade anything), so your $600 gfx card or 24" wide monitor may suddenly go dead (no certified driver), because MS says so.Vista is the biggest POS in OS history ever. In my opinion anyone who installs it without being forced to do so, is a fool.Not to mention that Vista does squat for FSX performance and will never do anything maybe except slowing it down even more.

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>>> As an example XP will let you use any driver you care to>>use>>>whereas Vista will only allow you to use Windows or WHQL>>certified>>>drivers.>>>>>>>Wow, is that so? Man that is not good, hopefully that will>>change. So, you are saying that I could not use, for>example,>>a tweaked vid driver that's not WHQL cert'ed?>>>>If so, that is no good at all.>>No you cannot.>>More than that, in the certain situations on Vista running>certified drivers and hardware (and you have to run those) you>may have your hardware shut down forcibly by MS, and/or>drivers "un-certified" by MS (yes they can revoke>certification remotely and the driver will stop working,>unless your PC is not connected to internet and you do not>upgrade anything), so your $600 gfx card or 24" wide monitor>may suddenly go dead (no certified driver), because MS says>so.>>Vista is the biggest POS in OS history ever. In my opinion>anyone who installs it without being forced to do so, is a>fool.>>Not to mention that Vista does squat for FSX performance and>will never do anything maybe except slowing it down even>more. I'm not sure about MS being able to forcibly shutdown hardware but I'm researching it. As far as the driver situation there appears to be a way around it. This is from an article available here: http://clevershark.com/?p=1455 Apparently (at least for 32 bit) you are able to get around the driver signing issue by pressing F8 during boot. I still won't be running out to purchase and install Vista. I'm not using all the pretty graphics and crap on XP cause I don't need it. To bad MS doesn't publish FS for Mac...then I might get a new OS. And yes I know you can get boot camp. Craig

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Hi Tim ( or George ).Does FSX still use 32-bit memory limits ( 4GB ) when run under a 64-bit OS? If so, there might not be any advantage for running the current FSX under Vista.... I know Vista has a 32-bit version, but what would be the advantage of that over WindowsXP? Dick

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>I have a Dell XPS 410 E6700 4G ram and the 24In wide screen.>Monday I will have a new 550w Power Supply, a Nvidia 8800 GTX>and Vista Utlimate installed. Should I go with the 32bit or>the 64bit for>FSX. Why would you want to "rent" an OS as in Vista when you can actually own an OS as in XP ? If you like the fact that you can't use unsigned drivers and that MS can actually revoke driver usage rights then by all means go for it. If Steve Jobs coded the Apple OS so it would work with any PC I would by it tomorrow and dual boot with XP. Anyone ever wonder why he hasn't done that?? Craig

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@FTD1949: We all get it: MS is evil and bad.Their only intention is to plague us with blue screens and buggy software. But yet everyone in here uses FS9/FSX and runs a Microsoft OS. It's almost seems that using MS software is a guilty treat, like fast food, sex or alcohol - but everyone does it anyway.Only the uneducated claim loudly that it's all bells and whistels without any improvements or purpose and take their sources from third party websites without having an idea of the facts.Gets kinda old.

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