8 hours ago, FlyBaby said:

Wow...is this coming from the guy who once told me that I was wrong for gloating over Devs losing their jobs???

I'm not gloating over the failure of FSW (also, I think and hope Dovetail Games are doing fine with their jobs thanks to their other products), in the same way that I'm not gloating over P3D rapidly losing users (at least that's what I read around). Infact I wished P3D would keep going, because I wouldn't want a monopoly in the flight sim market.

The "Another nail on the coffin..." posts have only been written by MSFS fans in the last year or so.

Rather, I'm laughing at you suggesting a failed product as an example to follow, and calling a successful product a failure instead. Too funny.

Edited July 13, 20214 yr by Murmur

6 hours ago, jarmstro said:

What was he meant to think when his followers were for so long telling him that they had no interest in 'eye candy'? All that mattered was the flight model. Even now you can read people posting that they prefer the way default XP looks. 

I've read no one (except mSparks) saying that default XP looks better than MSFS.

But you can find all kinds of people in this world. A lot of people say they prefer default MSFS flight models over XP, go figure!

Edited July 13, 20214 yr by Murmur

26 minutes ago, Murmur said:

I've read no one (except mSparks) saying that default XP looks better than MSFS.

I said "can" - and definitely not default (which makes everyone's eyes bleed).

No other sim has come close yet to looking that good imho.

I don't agree LR should have abandoned finishing it. But they have.

(Oh, and btw - afaict nothing in that video is for sale on the org... which is why its unlikely you have seen anyone talking about them much - very likely a bannable offence to mention those there)

 

3 hours ago, jcomm said:

LR, IMO, is not affected by MFS - XP Developers and stores ARE! That's the big problem, IMO.

X-Plane will probably become even more of a niche flight simulator, and niche add-ons, what some call "study-level" can keep some of the developers active, and pay their salaries - they have a life too ! Others will or have already jumped to MFS, because "they have a life" too.

I guess the biggest change has to happen on the devs side. Developers, stores, and the whole business around it will have to adapt to this new reality, and those that can keep offering great products like some available for X-Plane might really have a chance of keeping their sales to a level that can support their activity.

I don't really know how healthy the site mentioned in the OP is these days, but I guess they are suffering from a considerable reduction in their sales, just as pretty much all other stores that sell X-Plane add-ons, or are specific to X-Plane.

Do you have data to support this "X-Plane market is crumbling" theory ?

At least, JustFlight doesn't agree:

https://community.justflight.com/topic/2415/is-the-f28-dead-for-p3dv4-5/5

This is mainly about P3D, but the X-Plane bit is interesting:

Quote

Likewise, the predicted demise of X-Plane was just that - a prediction - and, as we are seeing in the European Championships, predictions can often be misleading. In contrast to P3D, the X-Plane market is holding up well.

(emphasis added)

Pascal

42 minutes ago, Pascal_LSGC said:

Do you have data to support this "X-Plane market is crumbling" theory ?

At least, JustFlight doesn't agree:

https://community.justflight.com/topic/2415/is-the-f28-dead-for-p3dv4-5/5

This is mainly about P3D, but the X-Plane bit is interesting:

(emphasis added)

Pascal

No data, only comments from this one or that one, and the posts at some forums... 

But it's evident, although maybe some can still say they keep good sales numbers... Comparing it to P3D isn't of great help though - I'm almost sure P3D has even lower sales as a whole right now... 

One thing is for sure - some developers are already acting like X-Plane is turning into a niche simulator, with probably a few highly detailed simulations, like the recently announced A340-600 by Toliss, with an expected price of ... $340 ???

In the beginning X-Plane was selling for $500 ! I guess $700 was once thought to be the price tag for X-Rotor, which never really came to existence because Austin integrated it in X-Plane.

This sort of trend wouldn't really shock me - I paid a good deal for Aerowinx PS1 and then PSX, ELITE and even at some time Airlinetools A32x, because these were very specific, detailed simulators. A very sophisticated airliner, turboprop, GA, glider, helicopter... created with a lot more time and dedication than during times of mass production and competition can actually turn into a more rewarding add-on than most of the add-ons we're accustomed to...

I would probably prefer that X-Plane could turn into a niche sim, with it's mass version in the Android / iOS market. Highly deteilled add-ons - quality instead of quantity.

Edited July 13, 20214 yr by jcomm

48 minutes ago, jcomm said:

One thing is for sure - some developers are already acting like X-Plane is turning into a niche simulator, with probably a few highly detailed simulations, like the recently announced A340-600 by Toliss, with an expected price of ... $340 ???

Come on!! This is evidently a placeholder. Developers usually don't announce prices in advance.

11 minutes ago, Pascal_LSGC said:

Come on!! This is evidently a placeholder. Developers usually don't announce prices in advance.

Ya mean like... when PMDG asks €960k for their new 737 ?  Hmmm  maybe ... maybe not 🙂

Tomorrow at X-Plane.com, XP12 will be selling for $2500 🤣

Jokes apart, I still hope for a great debut of X-Plane 12, and X-Plane is for me still a reference in terms of flight dynamics, and even systems modelling for quality add-ons, rotaries, etc... so, I wouldn't mind seing it becoming a niche sim, with fewer but overall higher quality add-ons.

 

Edited July 13, 20214 yr by jcomm

11 minutes ago, jcomm said:

X-Plane is for me still a reference in terms of flight dynamics, and even systems modelling for quality add-ons, rotaries, etc..

Did you get a job at Asobo or something?

(Sorry, I couldnt resist, the fruit was hanging so low and looked so tasty... So low and tasty I feel a little baited)

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

Did you get a job at Asobo or something?

(Sorry, I couldnt resist, the fruit was hanging so low and looked so tasty... So low and tasty I feel a little baited)

Shhhh, yes ! They nominated me their official uninstaller !!!

Anyway, what I wrote regarding the situation for X-Plane payware developers is actually what I think. Maybe I'm wrong, and I will gladly 

analyze any arguments that prove the contrary. Anyway, why would it look like I had been offered a job by ASOBO  ?

 

Edited July 13, 20214 yr by jcomm

27 minutes ago, jcomm said:

why would it look like I had been offered a job by ASOBO

https://austinmeyer.com/ok-this-is-just-plain-funny/

3 hours ago, mSparks said:

I don't agree LR should have abandoned finishing it. But they have.

Maybe I missed it, but what makes you say this? Sincerely curious.

Just now, Dozo said:

Maybe I missed it, but what makes you say this? Sincerely curious.

Thanks. I wonder what that'd mean for 3rd party developers and the compatibility between XP11 and XP12, whenever that's released. We'll find out I guess.

12 hours ago, mSparks said:

Yes no maybe kinda....

 

No...the performance did not much improve much. Long explanations do not change that reality...

4 hours ago, Murmur said:

I'm not gloating over the failure of FSW (also, I think and hope Dovetail Games are doing fine with their jobs thanks to their other products), in the same way that I'm not gloating over P3D rapidly losing users (at least that's what I read around). Infact I wished P3D would keep going, because I wouldn't want a monopoly in the flight sim market.

The "Another nail on the coffin..." posts have only been written by MSFS fans in the last year or so.

Rather, I'm laughing at you suggesting a failed product as an example to follow, and calling a successful product a failure instead. Too funny.

Nope..."I" was suggesting that LR should have followed FSW's "engagement" with the community back then, which they are obviously doing now...following MSFS.

You were making fun of FSW's failure despite that effort (Yeah, "it" worked great for them!), but I appreciate the long winded effort to redeem yourself. It amazes me how you guys try to rewrite history in the same thread. Carry On...