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Missed that one...thanks for the heads-up... ;) Downloading now...

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Interesting to read on the Cloud9 forum (Auothors of FSX landclass replacement packs):"A better solution would be acting on the textures themselves, because I think the default ones are not representing in the right way seasonal differences. Expecially for fields, a texture shouldn't have an uniform color cast (brown, green, yellow) like they are now, but instead *parts* of the texture should change to brownish colors during fall/winter and parts should remain green.Given the huge amount of textures in FSX, this is some kind of different work, that will also change the nature of a product like X-Class, because it would probably no longer be of a size manageable as a download, and will not certainly cost 9.99$ anymore."(http://forum.fscloud9.it/viewtopic.php?t=4336)So we now get a better looking FSX for free without all the problems of changed landclass (arid grid cities in Norway, pines in the Savanna when flying the "Game park" mission, ...).Great!

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That's great news, and thanks to Adam Mill for those textures :)Downloading them as I write...However, I'd like to see some screenshots before actually installing the textures. Are they modified original textures or are they completely new ones?Alex

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Did anyone already tested these European Ground Textures?ThksEdmundo

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I tried them last evening. I really couldn't find much difference with the default. Could be me and I did not spend a lot of time looking. They did not cause any problem for that short use.

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Hi,Well, I'm rather disappointed that you saw little difference between the modified european textures and the default ones. The most dramatic differences can be seen in the winter and over mountainous terrain. If you are using a landclass enhancement such as Cloud 9's X-Class series then you probably won't see much change because their solution to the desert and winter problem was to modify the seasons so that, for example, green (spring) textures would show up in winter.Thank you for trying them all the same,Adam Mills.

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So you are saying that if we are using Cloud 9 Xclass these new textures will not make a difference?At least a notable difference?I have downloaded them but not yet installed.Thanks for any info.Ron

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The textures are reworked versions of the original ones.Until now I was able to download the parts 1 to 3 (field textures), and a direct comparison of the files with the XNview browser showed, that most mild winter textures have much more green areas and the bare earth is much darker (which is realistic due to high soil moisture). The autumn textures often are somewhat darker and desaturated (not so "comic like" colors).Will post some comparisons when I have all packs.

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just one world: superb!!a very grateful thanks for this great improvement and for the hudge work.these new textures are probably the best improvement to FSX until now.waiting forward to seeing the US textures :-)again, thank you very muchbest regards,David

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>So we now get a better looking FSX for free without all the>problems of changed landclass (arid grid cities in Norway,>pines in the Savanna when flying the "Game park" mission,>...).I wrote that comment and, of course, it was written from a commercial developer point of view. Meaning: if WE (or any other payware dev.) had to do a texture replacement pack, the time/cost would be quite significant, because we surely can't sell a texture collection made with default FSX textures with some color balancing applied, for obvious copyright reasons.While I'm sure that Microsoft wouldn't probably object to a freeware offering that makes users happy, a commercial developer doesn't enjoy the same luxury to do such a quick job: we should paint everything from scratch, every landclass, every variation, for every season, with matching autogen.

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I went to that website and it looks to me like the new textures are not compatible with Cloud9 Xclass.It looks like the textures cancel out the xclass.I installed them and flew Switzerland and the new textures look very good and I did not notice any lack of Xclass.Ron

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>I went to that website and it looks to me like the new>textures are not compatible with Cloud9 Xclass.It looks like>the textures cancel out the xclass.Replacement textures that are compatibile with FSX can't be "incompatibile" with a Landclass scenery. In fact, there are absolutely no problems if used together with XClass. In that case, you'll get the more detailed land coverage offered by XClass, with the different colours of this texture set. If one prefers the XClass+default combination, or the XClass+this texture set combination, it's only a matter of taste, but I don't see any problems if used together.

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OK,So we agree.I did not notice any lack of xclass with the new textures.New textures look good and get rid if the "sand or desert" textures.Look really nice to me.Don't understand the comparison from the Italien website.Ron

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I'll second that. These are a big improvement over the default. Now I can fly in all the seasons again - at least in Europe. I too am looking forward to your North American textures.Thanks AdamRegardsMartin

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Hi Virtuali,I have no disagreement with your general view, that these textures are in effect a 'quick and dirty' fix for some of the problems with the default texture sets. Moreover, I make no bones about the fact that I have made them available (originally I did them just for myself) until Cloud 9 or Peter Wilding or somebody else comes along and does a proper decent set of textures. I should, however, like to take issue with one remark you make. You say you don't have the same luxury to do such a 'quick job'. It maybe that I am a very slow, but it has taken me several months of quite hard work to redo these textures. Now, there is no reason for you or anyone else to care about that particularly for simply because one has spent a long time doing soemthing does not make what one has done good or worthwhile. But, that said I am sorry that to you it looks as if the textures are merely a 'quick job'. I had noticed people worrying about the season problem when using Cloud 9 X-class products (which I have and appreciate) and I had hoped that these textures would resolve that issue at least until something better was released.With regards,Adam Mills

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Adam,You maybe misunderstood my point: nobody implied that *you* haven't spent lot of time retouched the default textures, or is not a worthwhile task. Surely this is not your full time job, so it's quite normal you can't progress at the same pace of a trained team of developers working on a payware product. I simply said that IF *we* (at Cloud9) had to do the same, retouching standard textures, for *us* it would have been a fairly quick job, but we wouldn't dare to sell it, because a commercial developer would never risk putting on the market a product derived in any way from original Microsoft artwork.The intention of the remark was just to point out that my comment on the C9 forum, that was quoted here, is still valid: if *we* ( and any other developer who tries the same route ) had to do a commercial replacement set of textures, it would a much bigger work than anything possibly coming from the freeware world, because we can't reuse/retouch and redistribute anything done by Microsoft, for obvious copyright issues.regards,Umberto Colapicchioni - VIRTUALI

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Hi Virtuali,Point taken! I do fully understand what you are saying, namely that from a commercial point of view you would have to produce a unique product. Given the quality of Cloud 9 work, this, of course, leads to an obvious question - why don't you?Regards,Adam.

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Just tried them - WOW, what a difference, especially in the UK.Congratulations and many thanks for reminding us that the UK (and the rest of Europe) isn't a giant sand castle with a few trees and buildings.(I guess the guys at Aces who designed the original textures don't travel much ;-) )Definately a 'must-have' addon for FSX!Toni.

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Thank you, Adam, for your huge work. A look at the file dates says enough about the time you spent.I promised to show some pictures for those who are still uncertain whether to download or not - so first some direct comparisons of texture files. Left pane: originals, right pane: reworked by Adam.Some inflight pictures later.Regards

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I agree. These are an enormous improvement over the originals. Thanks Adam!

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Now some inflight pictures with the reworked textures (October, midday).First one: near Leipzig (central Germany) - note the differences in color tone (maybe some unchanged US textures that are often used worldwide?).Second one: near Burgos (northern Spain).Third one: near Gdansk (northern Poland).All in all, the colors are darker with more greenish areas. No desert look, but it has (surprise, surprise) some disadvantages: - the simplified world textures which cover the globe outside the detailed textures and are visible from jetliner flight altitudes, now does no more match with the changed textures - you get a light brown edge (only with unlimited visibility).- the color balance between the different texture sets (originally all soil has this light brown tint, now we have dark brown, reddish brown, light brown) has worsened. But we know "the world is colorfull"!After all it is a step forward and with the reworked US textures will be even better.Regards

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