Reading this discussion, I wonder if an HDR monitor is now required. I bought my HD monitor around six years ago, and don't really have the room for anything larger than 24 inches or so. I did find that lowering the gamma using the nvdia control panel helps, but HDR is greyed out in the MSFS graphics section. 

 

 

6 hours ago, jrw4 said:

Reading this discussion, I wonder if an HDR monitor is now required. I bought my HD monitor around six years ago, and don't really have the room for anything larger than 24 inches or so. I did find that lowering the gamma using the nvdia control panel helps, but HDR is greyed out in the MSFS graphics section. 

 

 

Its not required but in reality from this point on everything will be graded for it and should be. Lowering gamma is only a workaround, and the issue with that is that it will make every other software and videos and all darker and you lose shadow detail. When you deal with gamma controls it has to be calibrated properly.

Edited July 30, 20214 yr by Bandyka

14 minutes ago, Bandyka said:

Its not required but in reality from this point on everything will be graded for it and should be. Lowering gamma is only a workaround, and the issue with that is that it will make every other software and videos and all darker and you lose shadow detail. When you deal with gamma controls it has to be calibrated properly.

Exactly, I am certainly not starting to play around with those settings just to get one single game displayed correctly, they should add gamma and saturation sliders to the menue if obviously unable to put the default settings correct... Some other advice how to get this totally overexposed clouds and generally to bright visuals off my rig? Isn't there a config file that could be modified accordingly?

For me, it sort of means that live weather is no longer interesting, because I need to put a thick overcast up to counter the harsh look of the clouds and ground reflections. A thick overcast is my workaround, changing gamma will help one scene, but then the next will look worse, so you'll be chasing over-exposed rainbows. You could calibrate a custom tone curve or try a Shader app like ReShade, or whatever people are using these days.

 

Edited July 30, 20214 yr by Alpine Scenery

10 minutes ago, Alpine Scenery said:

For me, it sort of means that live weather is no longer interesting, because I need to put a thick overcast up to counter the harsh look of the clouds and ground reflections. A thick overcast is my workaround, changing gamma will help one scene, but then the next will look worse, so you'll be chasing over-exposed rainbows. You could calibrate a custom tone curve or try a Shader app like ReShade, or whatever people are using these days.

 

there is a utility gamma panel where you can change the gamma ingame. i already use that because i found the

overcast too dark.

9 minutes ago, wim123 said:

there is a utility gamma panel where you can change the gamma ingame. i already use that because i found the

overcast too dark.

Not bad, it looks like you can create a custom tone curve too. That said, my video device has this built in and I can just save a custom profile for the gamma. The problem is gamma is difficult to calibrate by eye, you will still be chasing rainbows unless you measure the gamma with a colorimeter, though you can improve it by eye if you have enough patience to fiddle with it long enough. I can pull out the calibration meter, but if I were to go through all that trouble, I'd probably just try a full HDR calibration, but don't have time to mess with it right now.

Edited July 30, 20214 yr by Alpine Scenery

8 hours ago, jrw4 said:

I wonder if an HDR monitor is now required.

For me HDR doesn't work that well. If i set HDR on in Windows 10, things become acting weird and not in MSFS at the first place.
With HDR on my mouse in Windows 10 will sometimes move jittery. It's as fast as before but a lot less smooth sometimes. Sometimes if i hover above a window, the text on it will stutter at the same rate the mouse stutters (if it does).
When launching for example DCS, the mouse can get grey and stuck on the my HDR activated monitor but i can move it to my second monitor and the moment it it enters the second monitor (non HDR capable) it appears fine over there.
If i move it back, it turns grey again and gets stuck at the place where it enters the HDR monitor again. When DCS loads, the screen goes black for about 10 seconds, then all is fine, grey mouse turns white again and is moveable again, same for when it close it. In MSFS i didn't see anything weird yet but i see no difference with the setting HDR10 On or OFF.
When i turn HDR for my main monitor (LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440) off again, all is back to normal again.

Could be an issue with running 2 monitors, one HDR capable, the other not. I'll have to investigate further in this.

HDR is a revelation for me. Yes, the white is very white indeed but the ground colours are finally spot on. The cloud textures are another issue which will hopefully be addressed but in general for me, reverting UserCfg to default and turning on HDR is stunning. I had tried HDR before but it never looked like this. 

I switch monitor 1 to HDR (monitor 2 isn't HDR capable) immediately before launching MSFS and switch it back again when I'm done. 

to be frank its evident that mostly everyone here turned on HDR for the first time and not really knowing what to expect and how to set it up correctly. Its a learning curve just like anything else, HDR is the biggest change and leap forward in the AV industry since color TV. I have been in the AV game for a very long time and calibrate displays semi professionally, my setup is bang on because I spent years working it out and its all in a dedicated cinema room, so there isn't much tweaking needed in-game. My suggestion is to start here and get a colorimeter and auto calibrate your screens, this will get your colors to a very accurate level as well as gamma.

I believe this is a very basic and must investment given how much each of us invest in the sim.

https://www.xrite.com/categories/calibration-profiling/i1display-pro

Keep in mind SDR and HDR are two different color profiles on your display and windows as well, they need to be calibrated separately. I hope it helps some.

I am finding HDR Frustating up till 1am this morning to try and figure it out.

Its ON, Screenshots show it really is working.

The ground and everything looks good...but....

I cannot turn bloom off, I have not tried turning HDR Off, then turning bloom off, because whites look so bright its just silly. White clouds are just Blown out so badly. 

I have HDR 10bit sRGB the two picture HDR-SDR the slider full right, 100% but at 30% its still bloom city.

Do you guys have bloom in the sim ON or OFF?

Any thoughts? 

 

Edited July 30, 20214 yr by Nyxx

I use Spyder 5 Pro to calibrate mine which are used primarily for photography. For now it's looking pretty great as it is in HDR but lets see what the hotfix does in the next day or two. 

My Bloom has been off since I got MSFS, it was one of the first things I changed. 

4 minutes ago, 6297J said:

My Bloom has been off since I got MSFS, it was one of the first things I changed. 

I think that might be the key to my problem, at work now, I will turn off HRD start the sim turn bloom off and try then. It feel like i have bloom x2 ON ATM.

Edited July 30, 20214 yr by Nyxx

4 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

I think that might be the key to my problem, at work now, I will turn off HRD start the sim turn bloom off and try then. It feel like i have bloom x2 ON ATM.

The whites are still overblown with bloom off but its nowhere near as bad. 

Have bloom off and set the Windows slider to default.

Its also possible that you have adjusted your monitor brightness. Get it back to default and test. In HDR if you have such overblown whites that generally means brightness is set incorrectly somewhere.

Edited July 30, 20214 yr by Bandyka