I love this little jet! Maybe I just don't have enough experience with jets but there are some crazy flap, trim and speed brake settings for normal takeoff and landing, all there in the POH.

Takeoff - full flaps (and flaps are clicked in 1 degree increments, I believe, up to 18 degrees), 25% UP trim for just the pilot, 50% up trim if you have a passenger.

Landing - full flaps, again 25/50 UP trim and speed brakes deployed.

Now the question is, what is the right way to trim this out for level cruise? Incrementally bring the flaps up and trim down until flaps are all the way up and trim is giving you level flight?

Edited August 26, 20214 yr by Mojave

This thing is absolutely wonderful!  One of the best flight models in the sim, fantastic sounds and an absolute blast to fly.  With a "next gen" cockpit texture overhaul it could easily sell for £25 and still be worth every penny.  At £10 it's a steal.  Best bargain so far for MSFS.

 

An update from the dev posted on the official forum...

 

"Hello all, a few notes from the author, for a future update:

Up texture resolution to 4K for cockpit walls (was concerned about performance)

Clean up bump mapping in general (thanks to my new high-end system, I can now see room for improvement)

Investigate mouse bug (may be the sim, not the aircraft)

Speed up elevator trim deflection a bit

improve airbrake lever sound

Note on textures: I will do what I can for the photo parts. I will not be granted access to the real aircraft again. It is a museum piece and they opened up the canopy as a very special favour."

Edited August 26, 20214 yr by The Moose

3 hours ago, Mojave said:

Now the question is, what is the right way to trim this out for level cruise? Incrementally bring the flaps up and trim down until flaps are all the way up and trim is giving you level flight?

I'm still flying it bit like a normal GA aircraft and bring the flaps up quite early (above about 300ft AGL and still in the climb)

I've absolutely no idea if that's the right way to do thing but it seems to work for me 🙂

What sort of cruise speed does this thing have?

38 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

What sort of cruise speed does this thing have?

Nothing silly..  I usually find myself cruising around 200kn

(that's under FL10,  75% N2)

Edited August 26, 20214 yr by The Moose

10 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

What sort of cruise speed does this thing have?

I've been doing more circuits with it recently but when i have taken it up to FL20 I was getting 205kt ish TAS at 75% N2.

 

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Now the question is, what is the right way to trim this out for level cruise? Incrementally bring the flaps up and trim down until flaps are all the way up and trim is giving you level flight?

Clean it up and then trim it. What seems like odd flap, trim and spoiler arrangements on this thing are a bit of a legacy of the A21 glider origins for the C22. But that's all part of the fun in something like this.

Many performance gliders actually have flaps which can be trimmed to negative settings, where they actually reduce the amount of lift generated, which seems like an odd idea if you're used to flying GA aeroplanes, but this is so that you can dash through any areas of the sky with no thermals as soon as possible without over-stressing the wing, and the need to do that is also why you occasionally carry water ballast too.

Since you sometimes have to 'land out' in a glider, i.e. pick a convenient field and put it down there if there is no available lift to keep you up, the typical technique for doing so, is to fly a circuit for the field at a reasonably high level to ensure you have enough altitude to get in there, and then lose the altitude on finals by playing the speed brake lever back and forth like you're doing a jazz trombone solo! Anyone who watches my videos on my youtube channel can probably surmise that I have flown gliders a lot from my tendency to come onto finals fairly high and then lose the altitude once 'I know I can get there' with a sideslip or some such. That's kind of what you need to do with the C22 for landing, i.e. lose the speed but keep the height, then back the spoilers out to get it down without increasing speed too much.

It's a bit of a 'seat of your pants' type of aeroplane. The advantage to coming in like that is you get through a wind gradient very quickly, but it does mean that having a bit of airspeed to spare is necessary, which you can lose once you're over the piano keys by holding off and getting the spoilers out, hence that 'trombone' analogy.

Good to know there's a tweak coming for the visuals; personally I think they're okay - especially for the price - and am more concerned with the way things fly in a sim than the way they look, but if I can have both, I don't complain.

Edited August 26, 20214 yr by Chock

54 minutes ago, Chock said:

That's kind of what you need to do with the C22 for landing, i.e. lose the speed but keep the height, then back the spoilers out to get it down without increasing speed too much.

I'm finding it a tad tricky to get the speed down without the spoilers in the first place - the engine sseem to be putting out enought keep the plane going quite happily even at idle 🙂

Get it dirty with flaps and gear and a bit of nose up trim and it'll slow down okay.

Just now, Chock said:

Get it dirty with flaps and gear and a bit of nose up trim and it'll slow down okay.

Good suggestions I suspect I may not be using enough flaps.Certainly gives me something to try later (maybe try it with the 5.5deg ILS glideslope into London City 🙂 )

5 hours ago, The Moose said:

This thing is absolutely wonderful!  One of the best flight models in the sim, fantastic sounds and an absolute blast to fly.  With a "next gen" cockpit texture overhaul it could easily sell for £25 and still be worth every penny.  At £10 it's a steal.  Best bargain so far for MSFS.

 

An update from the dev posted on the official forum...

 

"Hello all, a few notes from the author, for a future update:

Up texture resolution to 4K for cockpit walls (was concerned about performance)

Clean up bump mapping in general (thanks to my new high-end system, I can now see room for improvement)

Investigate mouse bug (may be the sim, not the aircraft)

Speed up elevator trim deflection a bit

improve airbrake lever sound

Note on textures: I will do what I can for the photo parts. I will not be granted access to the real aircraft again. It is a museum piece and they opened up the canopy as a very special favour."

I am glad this airplane is getting some love here. On the MSFS forum people are writing it off as ugly for multiple reasons. It may be one of the most fun airplanes in the sim... and seeing the developers notes, wow! I never expected much upgrade but it seems like it could come. Cool. Great Buy. I agree with you, the flight model is bang on... its one of those airplanes that make you feel like you are flying in the sim. Very happy with it. 

Those developer notes are very welcome.   I was already biased towards picking this up, but I think based on that response and the openness the dev seems to have to improvements I'm going to just go ahead and grab it.   Thanks for sharing that, @TheMoose!

If anyone is really put off by the cockpit textures, just fly her at night - she looks pretty good 🙂

 

23 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

If anyone is really put off by the cockpit textures, just fly her at night - she looks pretty good 🙂

 

https://flightsim.to/file/9900/no-handle-bar

Old Collins radios, even ADF.

Italian designers' take on an '80s humpback automobile dashboard.

Groovy flaps and it has airbrakes too.

High wings and canopy for sightseeing.

Full acrobatics.

Win drag races against mutliplayers piloting high priced wings.

I'm buying mine before Mario sobers up and starts asking a fair price!

Somebody made a different set of cameras for this plane:

https://flightsim.to/file/19553/caproni-vezzola-c-22-better-cameras

 

 

 

Edited August 27, 20214 yr by Fielder