Hi there. I belong to the group that defends the realism of air traffic. Te sect of "realist airlines".😎

Asobo has in his hands a great simulator that, curiously, has put air traffic aside a bit. While airports are full of detail, and the clouds are incredibly similar to reality, we land on runways and fly in skies with no realistic models and airlines. Well, in skies rather: empty.

There are two types of clients ...

1) "wow !!! I have a 747, I'm going to see what happens if I crash into that mountain! ". When they have already crashed 7 times, they leave the MSFS, but the money: has already been invested.

2)  those of us who want to fly, take off and land well, in an environment that is as close to realism as possible. but realism cannot be realism if the planes around you and their airlines are missing. They also spend money, and after: more money.

I love both types. I have been both.

Who cares?

Before the SU5, we could at least have fsx models without CTD. But after SU5:

1) we can't have ai traffic. Only a certain number of models.

2) we can convert those models to gltf. (well, we can but we have to study a lot)

3) They can't do that, because those model are third party addons.

 

my final thought: Thanks to hundreds of thousands of curious, creative users and gamers, the fsx became a living paradise of living elements: airplanes, models, liveries, etc, etc ... All those people contributed to generate what is today the flight simulator. Not only the current entrepreneurs and developers, whom I thank for their work: but all of the above.

 

Are we lovers of airports full of air traffic punished? Why don't they make the way a little easier? Do you have to ask the creators of these models for permission? Why would they say "no", if before, those same models were free for fsx and prepar3d?

 

Those models belong to creators who have made their models for free. Some say yes, and others say no. Their reasons are sometimes fuzzy. Many times they don't even want to be paid. They just want to say no, or to be asked (user to user) to use them. In conclusion, this only happens when there are no other models created. As soon as this happens, the kingship becomes relative. As always, multiplicity generates the market and you can CHOOSE.

 

We have also invested time and money in it. Graphics cards, computers, ideas, time, etc, etc ... It's amazing that all ai traffic models are useless after SU5, and that all those thousands of models have worked before with fsx and prepar3d.

We are not asking for a miracle, just a gesture, a detail with a very large group that loves realism and invests a lot of money in it: us.

 

when they say: third party addons: deep down they mean everyone.

 

Let's not forget that a company works because many people want that product. And this product is the result of the illusion of many simmers who have been playing and flying with passion for more than 20 years. That is why MSFS, FSX and P3D belong to everyone. We do not need the opinion of those who say "no" to everything.

 

The world is one of those who say "yes, lets try".

 

I do this writing with a smile, encouraging people who, like me, contribute little or much to ALL simulators being better. Sometimes with knowledge, sometimes with a lot of creativity, sometimes with money, etc., etc. Can they come together and generate an interactive world where we can put in and take out thousands of models without being nervous about the simulator stopping?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I for one have stopped purchasing any addons until we get a decent AI traffic program that works with real matching models and liveries and actually take off and land and taxi to a gate or parking spot. Until that happens my wallet is closed.

Don

There are than 2 clients :

People who like to fly with or without other AC around them and always choose fair weather.

Also people who simply want to fly and don’t care about other AC around them.
It looks like Asobo/MS is focusing on this group that probably might be the largest user group.

That being said I do agree that MSFS needs realistic AI AC.  In P3D I use AIG + PSXT + RT to see Live Traffic and that adds so much extra to realism.

Myself I also find it a pity that we do not have good AI AC in MSFS. Hopefully it will be possible in the near future but I do not have high expectations…. ✈️

I’m a supporter of Ai Aircraft Traffic, it is really annoying that I have heaps of traffic showing up on FSTRAMP,  you just don’t see anything in the sky around you.

 I’m a low and slow, love flying around country airports and would really appreciate Ai Traffic.

When I was a P3d enthusiast, it was marvellous to immerse yourself in the airport sounds of other aircraft, and see the airports alive with traffic.

My oceans are full of shipping making the reality and immersion very pleasurable. 

I absolutely love MSFS, all I really want now is to fill the skies with Ai.

Regards Brian

BJ from Oz

The MFS team has a strange reluctance to implement certain features or even to allow them to be implemented by 3PD.

Traffic is one. I wonder if part of the touted smoothness introduced by SU5 does not come, among other things, from keeping the traffic at a bare minimum. In MFS predecessors, the traffic has always been a factor of a significant reduction of the FPS for medium and lower end machines. Also, they were clear enough to say that the optimization process was guided by the goal to have the code work in the 6 GB of usable RAM of the S box.

My take, at this stage, is that they do not want a significant volume of traffic. So I do not hold my breath. 

 

 

Edited September 19, 20214 yr by Dominique_K

Without proper AI traffic this game will probably die a slow death, there can not be many who want to continue flying like it is right now for much longer, if we do not have it within a year I will look for another alternative, great graphics isn't enough to keep me playing this game.

Edited September 19, 20214 yr by Ixoye

4 minutes ago, Ixoye said:

Without proper AI traffic this game will probably die a slow death, there can not be many who want to continue flying like it is right now for much longer, if we do not have it within a year I will look for another alternative, great graphics isn't enough to keep me playing this game.

Maybe I'm doing something different from you, but my airports are all but empty. I use the Life Traffic option which gives me plenty of traffic on large hubs and regional airports, static as well as taking off and landing. I also could get rid of the ugly green-white etc. liveries using a mod I downloaded from flightsim.to.

There is certainly room for improvement, but I am convinced this simulator will not die a slow death because of AI.

Kind regards, Michael

The problem is, live traffic only spawns within 20-30nm of the player aircraft. Meaning you’re only ever going to see 4-5 aircraft at once, unless in a very busy area.

Edited September 19, 20214 yr by Tuskin38

6 minutes ago, pmb said:

There is certainly room for improvement, but I am convinced this simulator will not die a slow death because of AI.

Yeah, I don’t think the majority of users care.

6 hours ago, baxterbj said:

I’m a supporter of Ai Aircraft Traffic, it is really annoying that I have heaps of traffic showing up on FSTRAMP,  you just don’t see anything in the sky around you.

Huh? I’ve never seen that happen. If an aircraft is on a map app (I use LNM now) it shows up in the sim.

The built in VFR map however will show aircraft outside of the actual render range.

Edited September 19, 20214 yr by Tuskin38

32 minutes ago, pmb said:

Maybe I'm doing something different from you, but my airports are all but empty. I use the Life Traffic option which gives me plenty of traffic on large hubs and regional airports, static as well as taking off and landing. I also could get rid of the ugly green-white etc. liveries using a mod I downloaded from flightsim.to.

There is certainly room for improvement, but I am convinced this simulator will not die a slow death because of AI.

Kind regards, Michael

You're lucky Michael, because what I see when I select "live airport activity" is Server Offline (in red). Like in Nice a minute ago . Three 320 for the show but no live traffic.  

1 hour ago, pmb said:

Maybe I'm doing something different from you, but my airports are all but empty. I use the Life Traffic option which gives me plenty of traffic on large hubs and regional airports, static as well as taking off and landing. I also could get rid of the ugly green-white etc. liveries using a mod I downloaded from flightsim.to.

There is certainly room for improvement, but I am convinced this simulator will not die a slow death because of AI.

Kind regards, Michael

Yes I have a bunch of green and yellow ugly aircraft that fly uncontrolled around the airports, and after landing crawl like snails on the runway, if they do not just suddenly disappear, that it is not what I call proper AI traffic.

Edited September 19, 20214 yr by Ixoye

Michael I dont know what your seeing but the live traffic I see at airports for over a month now never leave the gates or takeoff. They just land. Some still taxi to a gate others just disappear when they hit the tarmac and others just buzz the airport.I wouldnt call this a proper rendition of live traffic.

Don

While on the subject of Traffic could they please stop airport ground traffic sitting abandoned on designated taxi-ways and for moving vehicles to stop crashing into each other.

 

if you want improvemets regarding AI Traffic (not content) you need to stress this topic/wish over at the MSFS Forum in the Wishlist-Topics. AI Traffic always come with a performance impact and many users to care a lot about performance (see SU5), so your voice needs to be louder then the others. Developing a decend working AI system for a flight simulator is quite a huge task and there is a reason why no Sim has a great AI system....

The fact that so many bugs/issues are currently in the AI System is a clear sign that the priority of these issues is not that high over at MS/ASOBO and the fact that they made some design-choices that have major impact on the still used lagacy AI System shows that they might not even have so many developers with knowlage about the system at all.....