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As of today, we have about 10 days until the end of the month. April is "the" month, isn't it? Really looking forward to this FSX update and only hope that it really adds more "fluidity" on a consistent basis to this sim. FSX is perhaps the most enjoyable simulator I've ever used. I'm one of the lucky ones that consistently get frames in the 20's and high teens at worst. Many times I'm in the 30's, 40's, and even 50's when flying in Hawaii and the original, beautiful Princess Juliana. My excursions in the Bush, and Alaska are always smooth and "relatively" fluid.What I'm looking forward to is smooth fluidity and that smooth consistency in the big cities of the United States. THAT would be very, very cool! Hope you join in the thread, Phil, and can give us some little tidbits that get us in the mood for the big day.

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Anyone with a 2 core E6700 as you have would get nice fps.It is us poor chaps still running 3+ Gigs ona P4 that still suffer.Allen

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On the other hand, there are aboout 40 days until the end of April. I'm guessing that the glass is a bit less than half full.Doug

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> On the other hand, there are aboout 40 days until the>end of April. I'm guessing that the glass is a bit less than>half full.>>DougLOL :)We humans are wierd. We keep each other honest!Manny

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What are you complaining about then? Doesn't seem fit to feel the need for SP1 when you've got good performance to begin with.

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>Anyone with a 2 core E6700 as you have would get nice fps.>Dont count on it. I have one and a NVidia 8800GTX and the frame rates vary between 20 right down to 1 when it gets really heavy.I guess what it comes down to is what settings you use. I have everything turned up full. If you turn all the nice stuff off such as autogen off then you will get good rates.

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Doesn't come down to what setting you use.It comes down to where you fly.99% of the people who are punching the air, praising their 40fps are bush flyers flying in the hills. The minute most people come near civilisation, the problems start. I hope SP1 does something good. FSX shows promise, but it's a caged animal at the moment. It just needs to be unleashed :-) Looking forward to it.

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Hi gang,The 'ol cliche "good things come to those that wait" applies here ok...hang in there!!

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I don't think you can read me "complaining" in my post....but as Geofa says, human nature dictates, "if you can, give us more!" Like I said, I'd love to have a very fluid flight in and around major airports and world cities. I'd like to do that with as much eye candy as possible. Since that is really not possible on any computer right now, I'm hoping SP1 gets us closer to THAT kind of flight.

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Well this whole sp1 debacle is on my nerves anyway. Because of this wonder patch my hugely anticipated dodo for fsx is on hold because the devs don't want to release it only to have the 'magic' of sp1 break it again. Aces should have done what they said they were gonna do and release the dx10 patch instead of wasting our time on a sp1 patch that we all know will do little to nothing for anyone. Maybe I should apply for a PM job at Aces because it appears that they are in dire need of one.________________________________________________________________________________________________Intel D975XBX2 'Bad Axe 2' | Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 3.20Ghz | 2 GB Super Talent DDR2 800 | Big Typhoon VX | eVGA 8800GTS @ 565/900 | Seagate 2x320GB SATA RAID-0 | OCZ GameXStream 700W | Creative X-Fi | Silverstone TJ-09BW | Matrox Triplehead Setup

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In my opinion, the kind of performance boost I'm expecting is the performance boost that permits running complex third party vendors products/aircraft.Stock aircraft are good and better than in FS9, but I guess a sizeable number of people in this forum (say less than 1% of the number of FS9/X copies sold and Microsoft target market) are enjoying their simulator almost exclusively with third party addons, while effectively 99% of the core Microsoft market (casual gammer taking the flying experience between two doom/quake plays) will enjoy SP1 as it is.I've tried to stay away from these FS9/X discussions (and please if I'm off track, tell me), but the more I read in these forums, the more I realize that the root of the perceivable unhappyness with FSX in these forums may just come from FSX lacking the performance capability to run third party vendor addons properly (I'm not talking small GA aircraft with low impact, but complex airliners or similar).Jean-Luc

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Exactly right JL. My real concern is that, barring a couple of miracles from ACES and the developers of the complex addons, we'll never see anything like the LDS 763 or the PMDG 744 in FSX. A 20-30% performance gain isn't going to go very far in that regard. But, time will tell...Doug

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There is one "fix" that I'd like to see in the patch, unless anybody on these boards can tell me of a workaround............In the beta of FSX last year, one could use pitch trim in the helicopters as well, I haven't seen that option in the full version?Because of the increased details at lower levels, I've quite taken to rotary flying, but ####, it make my lower arm sore! Got a nice HOTAS setup.Thanks allAndrew.

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Ahhhh, I sense much fear in you. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering!Clear your mind Luke...If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. I thought Yoda a fitting quotee here. I think that we all need to clear our minds in releation to the patch. let it happen whenever it happens and release any preconceived notions of benchmarks, improvements or enhancements. At the end it will make it easy on the community as well as Aces if we all go into this with no preconceived notions.At the end of the day, isnt it always better to be plesantly surprised than to anticipate success (or failure) especially when the benchmark for success is poorly defined?

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>I think that we all need to clear our minds in releation to the patch. let it happen whenever it happens and release any preconceived notions of benchmarks, improvements or enhancements. Holy cow you are right.Those who are most anticipating the patch are those who probably need it's help the most (performance issues). Therefore, they are the ones hoping most for significant improvements - which for nearly any patch are usually UNDERwhelming rather than overwhelming.I sense a *HUGE* backlash from some folks when they still don't get FS2004-generation performance from a max-settings FSX. It just won't happen. An optimistic 20% improvement is great, but isn't a big leap.The only true patch will be the next-gen of processors which are on the march from trusty Intel and AMD - just as Microsoft initially designed. You can lead a horse to water (the sliders), but you can't make him move them to the left. ;)

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Hi, Just consider yourself extremely lucky as there are some of us who still can't get a clean install without the 1722/1603 errors and other related problems.Tony

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>Well this whole sp1 debacle is on my nerves anyway. debacle?>Aces should have done what>they said they were gonna do and release the dx10 patch>instead of wasting our time on a sp1 patch that we all know>will do little to nothing for anyone.Boy, someone is the pesimist.The DX10 patch will come in good time.> Maybe I should apply for>a PM job at Aces because it appears that they are in dire need>of one.Me thinks not.Regards,Mark

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I'm a realist. In good time was supposed to be in late february from what we were originally told, not almost a year later after a spur of the moment patch that will move people from 12fps to 14fps. I don't want to get into an argument but I just don't think that I am the only one that thinks this way. I wonder if they took a poll about who would rather have dx10 next month or some effectively worthless patch that as far as i can tell is only keeping us from getting the addons now that we want because no dev wants to release any addons now until the patch comes out so they can see what it broke? I know i vote for dx10 because chances are that it will not only make things look better, but also give the same amount of frame rate increase as an sp1 patch. I still say that the only reason they are releasing a sp1 patch is because they are nowhere near a point of having the ability to release a dx10 patch and are using sp1 as a smoke screen to give them the extra year that they need. My thoughts only of course.I want my fsx dodo!@@##!________________________________________________________________________________________________Intel D975XBX2 'Bad Axe 2' | Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 3.20Ghz | 2 GB Super Talent DDR2 800 | Big Typhoon VX | eVGA 8800GTS @ 565/900 | Seagate 2x320GB SATA RAID-0 | OCZ GameXStream 700W | Creative X-Fi | Silverstone TJ-09BW | Matrox Triplehead Setup

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You know, AD, constantly referring to a patch that's not out yet as "effectively worthless" really sounds like you're just trying to incite something here.I would personally prefer that you refrain from judging the relative value of the patch until it's actually been released.

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>I still say that the only reason they are releasing a sp1>patch is because they are nowhere near a point of having the>ability to release a dx10 patch and are using sp1 as a smoke>screen to give them the extra year that they need. My thoughts>only of course.Do yo have any basis expecting the DX10 patch to come out spring 2008? If DX10 is sheduled for spring 2008 I will opt to wait for holiday season 2009 and FS-XI before I get FS-X again (got a refund).

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>>I think that we all need to clear our minds in releation to>the patch. let it happen whenever it happens and release any>preconceived notions of benchmarks, improvements or>enhancements. >>Holy cow you are right.>>Those who are most anticipating the patch are those who>probably need it's help the most (performance issues).>Therefore, they are the ones hoping most for significant>improvements - which for nearly any patch are usually>UNDERwhelming rather than overwhelming.>>I sense a *HUGE* backlash from some folks when they still>don't get FS2004-generation performance from a max-settings>FSX. It just won't happen. An optimistic 20% improvement is>great, but isn't a big leap.>>The only true patch will be the next-gen of processors which>are on the march from trusty Intel and AMD - just as Microsoft>initially designed. >>You can lead a horse to water (the sliders), but you can't>make him move them to the left. ;) >>Some people need to re-read your post. It's right on.Overexpectations are the worst thing...RhettAMD 3700+ (@2310 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2 GB Corsair XMS 2.5-3-3-8 (1T), WD 250 gig 7200 rpm SATA2, CoolerMaster Praetorian case

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"The only true patch will be the next-gen of processors" is an interesting comment to me. Phil Taylor also has written in another thread what is one of bottleneck in FSX CPU wise:http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=391008&page="One source of bottlenecks are the per-frame number of D3D API calls. Which can cause a block in the driver on the CPU-side.Part of the SP1 work is to reduce these calls. The DX10 release will give additional reductions due to the better instancing, and due to the reduced per-API call overhead."Now, this makes me see light differently! software architecture of FSX may well have been designed with DX10 in mind from the ground up, which was supposed to be released at the same time (FSX+Vista+DX10), and then they probably took the liberty to push the Direct3D API to its limits, knowing that maybe half of the calls would be saved with DX10 instead of with DX9.Unfortunately, this is basing the software architecture on a 3 years from know basis (when a lot of us will have a Vista+DX10 computer). However, from the time being, it seems this hardware basis to run FSX is not there yet enough on our community.Reminds me a note about Duke Nukem Forever I've read yesterday at ign.com:http://pc.ign.com/articles/774/774639p1.html================================================================Many PC gamers were a bit fearful of DNF, assuming the game would be a true beast that only high-end systems could handle. According to Miller, that's not the case. "We try to support all of the newer, cool whiz-bang graphics features," Miller admitted to YouGamers, "but at the same time we try to make it so the game will run on middle-range machines, too."===============================================================Quite a different perspective.All in all, if the bottleneck is the software architecture at the driver level due to the number of API calls, then no wonder at a certain point, you get poor performance no matter what new video card you add or new CPU you add like some have reported many times in these forums. I can't wait to see how SP1 solves this.Jean-Luc

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>>Anyone with a 2 core E6700 as you have would get nice fps.>>>>Dont count on it. I have one and a NVidia 8800GTX and the>frame rates vary between 20 right down to 1 when it gets>really heavy.>I guess what it comes down to is what settings you use. I have>everything turned up full. If you turn all the nice stuff off>such as autogen off then you will get good rates.I'm running a quad core with two 8800GTX's (SLI) and still only getting 15-25 with autogen at normal and complexity at dense. But my flying style is more slow-and-low/NOE, acrobatic, and I prefer flying at 1000' over complex cities like Las Vegas more than 37,000' over Nebraska. The frustrating thing for me is that three of the four cores are pretty much useless, and the SLI performance meter indicates that I'm only getting a very small (< 20% best case) improvement from the second GPU card; I'm not CPU-, GPU-, RAM-, or IO-bound yet the underlying engine can't fully exploit the available power. But I still love flying it.

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What the heck is D3D? What is API? Does it have anything to do with Carburator icing?

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