Nothing technical as all that. All has to do with financial differences in philosophies,. DLC.

Besides WXR, RAAS, and bugs splattering on the windshield, I can't think of anything the NG3 will lack compared to the NGXu.

There are inherent issues with ground friction, crosswinds, vertical winds, and a few lift coefficient issues, but you'll have a hard time noticing those with the sheer weight of the airframe and the speeds involved.

Honestly the Ng3 will be better by most metrics, if we really wanted to go there.

21 minutes ago, WestAir said:

There are inherent issues with ground friction, crosswinds, vertical winds, and a few lift coefficient issues

Not a developer or coder, but these all seems like variables in a table that can be fine-tuned and be adjusted to improve those inherent issues.

2 hours ago, Noel said:

So what else might be compromised in meaningful ways?  There may well be, I'm just having trouble imagining what they are!  It's been a while since I flew the PMDG birds.

I think the weather radar will be missing for the PMDG 737.  But  supposedly, Asobo is working on providing data in the SDK for weather radar at the C++ level - at least Jorg mentioned at one of the Twitch Q&As that he understood the community considers this to be important, and that they would see what could be done in the SDK to support weather radar functionality.

For terrain radar, the Aamir said this on behalf of the Fenix team regarding the Fenix A320: 

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 we will have a Terrain on ND functionality - using the correct terrain DB method.

So if Fenix can get terrain radar working for their A320, I assume PMDG can also get terrain radar working on their 737?  Did Randazzo say that terrain radar wouldn't be available for the 737?  If Randazzo didn't say this, it's safe to assume the 737 should have working terrain radar, just like the Fenix A320 will.

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38 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

So if Fenix can get terrain radar working for their A320, I assume PMDG can also get terrain radar working on their 737?  Did Randazzo say that terrain radar wouldn't be available for the 737?  If Randazzo didn't say this, it's safe to assume the 737 should have working terrain radar, just like the Fenix A320 will.

Robert specifically said terrain is working in his “‘Twas the night before Christmas” post a few days ago:

“EGPWS is griping about flaps, gear and terrain,
Nav display shows it like a green, yellow and red stain.”

In P3D PMDG products, EGPWS uses its own stand-alone database of terrain keyed to the aircraft’s GPS position, (which is also how a real EGPWS works - it is not any kind of “radar”) 

I assume there is no issue with using the same system in MSFS, and Fenix is probably doing the same thing in their A320.

5 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

It's a bit more than that, if MS/Asobo still can't (or will not take on the task) emulate accurate real world weather, then having a weather radar is not terribly useful ... can't do flight planning without knowing (with some degree of accuracy) the weather for the entire flight.

Cheers, Rob.

 

A revamp of how MSFS handles weather is planned though.  Check the task screenshot that comes with the weekly information updates.

5 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

A revamp of how MSFS handles weather is planned though.  Check the task screenshot that comes with the weekly information updates.

I'm super excited to see the weather revamp. It's about time they added more clouds (cirrus, lenticular, etc) and finally added vertical winds (hello microbursts) and fixed the crosswind bug at rotation.

Bonus points if we get the weather API so 3rd party devs can add weather radar.

30 minutes ago, WestAir said:

I'm super excited to see the weather revamp. It's about time they added more clouds (cirrus, lenticular, etc) and finally added vertical winds (hello microbursts) and fixed the crosswind bug at rotation.

Bonus points if we get the weather API so 3rd party devs can add weather radar.

Wait and see. The 16 months history of this sim doesn't exactly show improvements in this department since the release cf.  the SU7 disaster or the crowd pleasing mitigation of up- and downdrafts along slopes that was announced with drum rolls in the EP video.

And looking back pre-SU7 times, what was needed more than anything else were a decent weather UI  for planning and coordination of the weather, the ATIS and the windsocks.  

On 12/26/2021 at 8:05 AM, WestAir said:

...and bugs splattering on the windshield, I can't think of anything the NG3 will lack compared to the NGXu.

Please, PLEASE be missing this.  I despise dirty windows in real life; why anyone in the sim community considers them actually value-added is an enduring mystery to me.   😁

PMDG has already specifically confirmed that the ND terrain display will be functional on launch, because they use their own system for that instead of relying on sim data.  The only thing I know of that they've confirmed won't be present is wx radar. 

13 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

Please, PLEASE be missing this.  I despise dirty windows in real life; why anyone in the sim community considers them actually value-added is an enduring mystery to me.   😁

PMDG has already specifically confirmed that the ND terrain display will be functional on launch, because they use their own system for that instead of relying on sim data.  The only thing I know of that they've confirmed won't be present is wx radar. 

Great on terrain, wx radar I can live w/o until they find a solution.  And I wholeheartedly agree no me likey bug splats!

On 12/27/2021 at 3:34 AM, WestAir said:

It's about time they added more clouds (cirrus, lenticular, etc) and finally added vertical winds (hello microbursts)

That would be interesting, but how would the sim know where to actually display those clouds or manifest those winds? Do we know of any weather product that displays real-time cloud types and vertical winds speeds? Asobo created a problem with random lightning, so I'm assuming that we don't want to go back in that direction. Actually I believe that there may be real world lightning "maps", so maybe that's relatively easy to do......

29 minutes ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

Have you seen a real world commercial aircraft cockpit, they are dirty and smell like word not allowed!

I'll take a little dose of poetic license myself.  I mean if you really believe you're actually flying, and not pretending to fly in your gameulator of choice, you're clearly ignoring the realities of real world flying because for ginourmous starters--there are no corporally or even financially meaningful consequences for when things go wrong, so there is no fear whatsoever.  And quite frankly when I'm sipping coffee at 6am with my dog on my lap, you know Dog is my Pilot,  I prefer to pretend all my aircraft are brand new or refurbished, cleaned fully, windshields replaced when overly pitted, etc. 

3 minutes ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

The good old days, can you feel rush in your hair and lovely sound of that flat 6 and 1000 FPS ... gives me goose bumps haha 🙂

Cheers, Rob.

 

Wow - Rob getting the sneak peak of SU8 there.

I have to agree with the dirt on the wind shield (among other stuff). It adds to the immersion somewhat. I have never seen an aircraft with glass so clean you can't even see it. Even the newest cleanest aircraft get dirty real quick.

2 hours ago, jrw4 said:

That would be interesting, but how would the sim know where to actually display those clouds or manifest those winds? Do we know of any weather product that displays real-time cloud types and vertical winds speeds? Asobo created a problem with random lightning, so I'm assuming that we don't want to go back in that direction. Actually I believe that there may be real world lightning "maps", so maybe that's relatively easy to do......

I think the weather engine itself will handle vertical winds? We already know how winds in thunder clouds work - it's just a matter of making sure the weather engine follows these dynamics.

You could probably interpolate the cloud ground speed and ground winds and work your way back until the picture is complete, then let the physics engine run.

2 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

So you want a game?  Doooh! 😉 

What's next do away with all the trees because they're in the way?  Bug splats, bird strikes, dirt are all part of simulation and in some cases lead to failures.  Heck FSLaps simulate APU exhaust, wing frost, snow buildup on fuselage and I enjoy every aspect of it ... same with //42 Immersion products for PMDG and QW.  Have you seen a real world commercial aircraft cockpit, they are dirty and smell like word not allowed!

Cheers, Rob.

Well, we keep our flight decks pretty clean actually.  It's nice to take a break from reading sometimes, and there's not a lot else to do on a crossing to Hawaii now that we have CPDLC, or a transcon even.  So yes, we do a little housekeeping.  If I walked into a cockpit that smelled like a word that's not allowed, you can bet I'd be calling maintenence and we wouldn't be going anywhere until the problem was diagnosed and corrected. 

Likewise the windows.  A couple isolated bugs, I'll lean out the side window on the ground and splash some water and flip on a wiper.  If that leaves a mess or it's any worse, I'll call fleet for a bugwash before we depart. 

You can pretend to fly any old ratty trasheap for a sketchy operator that you'd like... but don't demote me by proxy.  I'll take clean sim windows too, please.   😁