Navigraph 2021 survey is out

[abrams_tank]

6 hours ago, Greazer said:

Numbers don't lie.  MSFS has widened it's lead. 

Yup, this is the interesting part,  I consider that Navigraph users are the most “hard core” of flight sim users.  This survey says that the most “hard core” of flight sim users have endorsed MSFS.  It also says MSFS gained market share over the most “hard core” flight sim users over the last year, most likely from P3D users.

For this year, 31% of the Navigraph survey takers said they switched to MSFS, while only 4.4% switched to XP 11, and 3.5% switched to XP 11 (page 60).

This tells me that MSFS accelerated its momentum in the last year among the most “hard core” flight simmers.

[abrams_tank]

15 minutes ago, mSparks said:

The question is "how often".

So what you really want to sum/compare is the deep blue "frequently" and "most of the time" values.

You can of course fly DCS and XP11 and MSFS "frequently"

Whereas no one flys XP11.40 and XP11.50 "frequently"

Either way, I don’t think you can add up the numbers between versions because I don’t think Microsoft has 100% if the market.

[mSparks]

1 minute ago, abrams_tank said:

1% of the Navigraph survey takers said they switched to MSFS

From FSX, yes, we already knew this because

 

[mSparks]

3 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

add up the numbers between versions because I don’t think Microsoft has 100% if the market.

You cannot add up numbers if you can do both.

e.g. frequently fly both MSFS and XP11

you can if they are mutually exclusive (i.e.  XP11.00 or XP11.30 or XP11.40 or XP11.50)

[abrams_tank]

1 minute ago, mSparks said:

You cannot add up numbers if you can do both.

e.g. frequently fly both MSFS and XP11

you can if they are mutually exclusive (i.e. XP11.40 or XP11.50)

Well, I disagree with you. Otherwise, Microsoft has 100% of the market.

We’ll never agree so just move on.

[mSparks]

3 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Otherwise, Microsoft has 100% of the market.

Which MS products in that list would never be installed at the same time on the same machine?

[Greazer]

Sorry, but when Pmdg and co. come to the other sim, XP is going to get beaten up.

Also times have changed. It's not acceptable anymore to dump a tweaked buggy beta on the community and expect them all to jump in, pay up and do the bug testing.

[mSparks]

Just now, Greazer said:

when

🤣

[mtaxp]

8 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Well, I disagree with you. Otherwise, Microsoft has 100% of the market.

We’ll never agree so just move on.

XP11 is still XP11, the same product, the same money you paid. Only difference is a check box in the UI, if MSFS was split to DX11 VS DX12, will you claim the same? 

[mtaxp]

5 minutes ago, Greazer said:

Sorry, but when Pmdg and co. come to the other sim, XP is going to get beaten up.

Thanks for another prediction Greazer, I'll make sure to gamble on the exact opposite 😆

[mSparks]

1 minute ago, mtaxp said:

if MSFS was split to DX11 VS DX12, will you claim the same? 

That's the example I was looking for, couldn't think of it.

[Greazer]

Also, working title have built far superior Garmin avionics in other sim, and they will do a lot more, and they are releasing as open source for any developers. So addon developers are going to have advanced avionics to use, at no cost.

[mSparks]

4 minutes ago, Greazer said:

Also, working title have built far superior Garmin avionics in other sim, and they will do a lot more, and they are releasing as open source for any developers. So addon developers are going to have advanced avionics to use, at no cost.

And right now 30% of flight simmers actually care, and 0% of people reading this forum. 

Good job a brand new flight sim doesn't launch soon™ or that percentage might end up falling a lot in the next survey.

[mtaxp]

9 minutes ago, Greazer said:

Also, working title have built far superior Garmin avionics in other sim, and they will do a lot more, and they are releasing as open source for any developers. So addon developers are going to have advanced avionics to use, at no cost.

So this thread was an attempt to advertise MSFS "growth"? See you and the one who liked your comment and gone overboard with the survey results.

x-plane standing very well, actually much better than I though, smile and move on😝

[Janov]

I think it is amazing to see that MSFS, the "X-Plane killer" has managed to do so little!

Here we have one title, developed over several years from scratch by a team of more than 200 full-time game designers with the unlimited financial and data backing of one of the richest companies of the world...and they don´t manage to significantly take away from the niche, less than a dozen full time devs flightsimulator that came out 5 years ago? 😆

Awesome X-Plane!

Too bad it will go the way of the Blackberry, right @abrams_tank? 😉

Oh, and sure, when PMDG comes out with their 737 for MSFS...its game over. THAT will be the X-Plane killer. Or maybe the Fenix? Or maybe it needs both, I am not sure anymore. Oh, and it´s a 10 year project, maybe it just needs another 8 years? Lets not forget, Asobo is the greatest flightsim company inhistory, I got it in no uncertain terms! 😆 What a bunch of...