Navigraph 2021 survey is out

[abrams_tank]

5 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Because since then, the 15 people who switched from XP to MSFS, probably isn't data to get that excited about

And even if you think 15 people switched over to MSFS from XP, that's still more than the people from P3D that switched over to MSFS 🤣

Ahh, I'm just kidding with you. 

[mjrhealth]

3 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

And even if you think 15 people switched over to MSFS from XP, that's still more than the people from P3D that switched over to MSFS 🤣

Ahh, I'm just kidding with you. 

But we will never know they are just numbers and people love numbers, I wonder how many remember Vietnam. I think people really just can do math anymore. The reality is probably further from what you see.

[abrams_tank]

7 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

Funny though on Xplane forums how many are coming over after giving MS ago. Its being really good for Xplane.

It's not. 4.4% switched over to XP 11, 3.5% switched over to P3D v5, while 31% switched over to MSFS as their primary flight simulator:

[mSparks]

4 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

that's still more than the people from P3D that switched over to MSFS

Lol, I really want to tease you and point out just how many times you have made basic mistakes when it comes to percentages in the last 4 pages.

But I'm pretty sure you'll just ignore it and come back in a month making exactly the same mistakes so won't waste my time.

[Guest akita]

Just now, mSparks said:

Lol, I really want to tease you and point out just how many times you have made basic mistakes when it comes to percentages in the last 4 pages.

But I'm pretty sure you'll just ignore it and come back in a month making exactly the same mistakes so won't waste my time.

!

This is not a discussion if someone is ignoring inconvenient comments.

[mSparks]

Just now, akita said:

!

This is not a discussion if someone is ignoring inconvenient comments.

OK, try this

5% of 70,000 is .....

30% of 2000 is....

[Guest akita]

Just now, mSparks said:

OK, try this

5% of 70,000 is .....

30% of 2000 is....

Blackberry!

[jcomm]

I found the Navigraph survey rather informative.

This turn I didn't take the time to respond to it, and actually by the time it was made public I was already going down hill regarding my expectations for MFS and overall flightsimming, and getting back as usual to my WW2 shelter - IL-2 Great Battles to where I run everytime I feel lost in fligth simulation... - that I didn't feel I should really care about filling it.

MFS is at the same time an extraordinary inccursion into the graphics and World modelling that we have long been asking for, and a deception regarding the true potential based on the rather poor attention placed to those details that are more important for me in a flight simulation game - aerodynamics, weather modelling consistency, systems modelling.

It's probably still early to draw any conclusions about it's future, and I have to applaud the rhythm at which ASOBO as been making updates / fixes and adding features, but the problem is they appear not to have much clues about those important areas, so, they pack stuff they don't even understand very well...

OTOH I started reading about X-Plane 12 and becomming enthusiastic about it, and so far all I have seen / read points in a direction that I believe will impact on next year's Navigraph survey.

LR is a much smaller team, and Austin is the only in that team doing the aerodynamics and it's integration with the weather engine, and the weather engine itself. He his a rw pilot with some good experience, he understands basic as well as not so basic stuff about aerodynamics and aircraft systems, and he is always willing to bring it's platform to the tops in terms of details and quality of simulation in this areas. All I can hope for is that X-plane 12 can bring it's users and add-on developers a sound base for their flight simulation during the next 4-5 yrs ( saying this based on their "World Geomagnetic Database" update system covering 4 yrs as mentioned in one of the XP12 articles I read ).

There aren't that many sophisticated / hardcore add-ons in the airliner / commuter class for X-Plane, but the few available are already in pair with the best available for the other platforms, and actually with the exception of the PMDG dc-6 and the FBW A32N, there are no other positives in this class on MFS at the time. Let's see what the future brings, and if the main investment will tend to the xBox-oriented use rather than the hardcore simmers beach...

I'm not in a hurry, and in the meanwhile invested in IL-2 and keep playing it, whenever I can, with the best of the results in terms of what I praise the st - feel of flight !

[mSparks]

16 minutes ago, akita said:

Blackberry!

Doh.

Fix your user icon lest you associate yourself with Mr Tank.

[mjrhealth]

38 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

It's not. 4.4% switched over to XP 11, 3.5% switched over to P3D v5, while 31% switched over to MSFS as their primary flight simulator:

I never mentioned any numbers, but keep playing the maths game. I rally dont even know why you and our other nay sayer are actually here, must be for entertainment purpose, but  not worth paying for.

[mjrhealth]

I actually dont even know why this is labeled as hot, its just the usual nonsense. P3D and FSX pretty much dead, and MS and XP are pretty much the dominant market, I think Mathis mentioned P3D doesnt have any developers anymore in that flight sim magazine, but people will come here and spruke nonsense just because they can.

[abrams_tank]

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

Because since then, the 15 people who switched from XP to MSFS, probably isn't data to get that excited about

So actually, on page 3 of the Navigraph survey, there were about 24200 respondents to the survey this year.  Now let's take a look at the chart again, and notice the top part about the chart again that says, "Last year almost 50% of the respondents switched their primary flight simulator ... ... This year about 40% switched their their primary flight simulator":

Since Navigraph said "Last year almost 50% of the respondents switched their primary flight simulator," this means we can use 40% of the 24,200 respondents for this year. If 40% of the respondent takers switched their primary flight simulator, that's 0.40 x 24,200 = 9,680.  Of the 9,680 that changed their primary flight simulator, 31% switched to MSFS. So 0.31 x 9,680 = 3000 Navigraph survey takers switched to MSFS.

But okay, only 15 people switched to MSFS from XP ... ... 🤣🤣🤣

[mSparks]

7 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

If 40% of the respondent takers switched their primary flight simulator, that's 0.40 x 24,200 = 9,680.  Of the 9,680 that changed their primary flight simulator, 31% switched to MSFS. So 0.31 x 9,680 = 3000 Navigraph survey takers switched to MSFS.

A little more than your "15."  But then again, you are good at math, aren't you? 15 ... ... 🤣🤣🤣

So by your reckoning 30% of 2000 is 3000

Noice.

 

[abrams_tank]

3 minutes ago, mSparks said:

So by your reckoning 30% of 2000 is 3000

Noice.

 

<sigh> Just go back to your outdated numbers about FSX users switching over to MSFS.  Can't really have an objective discussion with you (especially when you pull irrelevant information like those outdated FSX numbers).

[tonywob]

Wow, just give it a rest... I knew this topic would cause trouble and be raised here by the usual suspects.

Here are my two cents on the result:

• I wouldn't consider Navigraph a decent guage of actual users of the various platforms and isn't varied enough. MFS likely has way more users than are listed here, and this should be fairly obvious to anyone. It's marketed to gamers on an x-box and gaming store by one of the biggest companies in the world. 
• X-Plane 11 is end of life... those who are still using it are likely doing so because of certain addons they miss, because of specific aspects of the simulation or because (Like myself) they're not using Windows. A lot of X-Plane users will be patiently waiting for X-Plane 12.
• Clearly MFS is the winner in popularity. You only need to read around on gaming forums, Youtube, Discord groups etc to see this. However, IMO, interest amongst the general gaming community has died out significantly since release, and people have moved on to newer things. We may have gained some new simmers, but nowhere near as many as people had predicted. Other genres such as truck simulators etc have a far more loyal and active user-base.
• Look at what third-parties are doing. Are we seeing much coming out for X-Plane and P3D lately?... Developers know where the users are and who are buying their products, and this is generally a good place to look. 

The results next year will be way more interesting. We should have a updated simulator and a more fair comparison (modern vs modern). I'll be very curious what MS will do to keep MFS relevant next year to the gamers, e.g. Are the world updates really pulling in more users now?