PMDG 737 in VR is outstanding !

[Bigbluss 304]

1 hour ago, Brownshortz said:

Can we start another thread about the PMDG 737. We only have 9 now.....one more will make it an even 10 lol.

9 whole threads about the most significant release for MSFS since release? Shocking!!

[MDFlier 2,031]

If we can get 1 more created,  we might just hit a record.  10 threads in a row on a topic and all of the valid complaints are quirks of the real airplane. 

[avhpilot 156]

idea for a new topic

'is the pmdg 737 the only aircraft in MSFS that can release parking brake by using the toe brakes of the rudder pedals ?'

 

 

[MikeyOnTheFlightDeck 193]

4 hours ago, dogmanbird said:

For those (me) living in poverty it is 🙃   To beat it, we're looking at spending more than 3 times it's price 

Ah ok.  Out of curiosity, what's the better and more costly options available then?

[MikeyOnTheFlightDeck 193]

1 hour ago, Bigbluss said:

9 whole threads about the most significant release for MSFS since release? Shocking!!

May need a subforum at this rate as it will be the same when Fenix launch their A320!

[AndrewB 7]

I agree but I do find the cockpit a bit small compared to the FBW Airbus A320. I have sat in both cockpits in real life. I have bumped my World  Scale to 110% to compensate.

HP G2 using OpenXR Toolkit

Andrew

[AndrewB 7]

I agree but I do find the cockpit a bit small compared to the FBW Airbus A320. I have sat in both cockpits in real life. I have bumped my World  Scale to 110% to compensate.

HP G2 using OpenXR Toolkit

Andrew

[dogmanbird 269]

20 hours ago, MikeyOnTheFlightDeck said:

Ah ok.  Out of curiosity, what's the better and more costly options available then?

The Varjo Aero apparently has improved optics overall plus eye tracking for dynamic foveated rendering support. Some say the centre sweet spot on G2 is similar to the Aero sharpness, but Aero has that clarity across much of the field of view plus somewhat improved colours / contrast. They share a similar field of view. Aero doesn't include hand controllers in it's price. Aero doesn't yet support motion reprojection, but I'd imagine that's not too far away (a critical feature for me). Aero doesn't have built-in cameras for pass-through but the Varjo XR-3 has (excellent passthrough quality) 

 

Good passthrough can allow masking parts of the VR world so it allows your real hands and part of your real cockpit to be seen in the headset (in stereoscopic 3D), and the VR world filling the rest of your view - known as Mixed Reality. Best results require the physical sim cockpit to be sitting on/surrounded by a greenscreen or similar. It's sounding like the next gen headsets will be going in this direction - Awesome if you already have physical cockpit panels etc. and now you can work them with your bare hands. I've already experimented with it using a Quest 2 & Vive Pro but the passthrough quality is very poor.

Here in aus the g2 is about $950, the Aero is about $3450 and the XR-3 is about $8,500

Unfortunately there's nothing available in between the G2 and Aero worth noting (not for comfort, clarity and FPS performance while simming).

Edited May 12, 2022 by dogmanbird

[andreh 125]

The advantages of the oculus HMDs compared to the HP Reverbs are bigger sweetspot (the edges of the image isn't as clear as the center), significantly better and easier software and setup,better performance (at the cost of lower res, of course) and of course price. Half the price or less of a G2.

It doesn't seem like G2 is worth it since everyone is upscaling using the OpenXR Toolkit to get acceptable performance. If you have to do that you might as well get the Oculus and save yourself a bundle.

Edited May 12, 2022 by andreh

[Farlis 2,287]

On 5/11/2022 at 8:04 AM, vonduck said:

Hmmmm - I have always wanted to try VR to see what the hype is about...but i cant seem to get past not being able to see my controllers or keyboard etc... is that a major drawback or something you just get used to? At present i use TrackIR and had no issues with that.... just a bit nervous to outlay big dosh if it doesn't work well.... thought?

You get used to interacting with the mouse in VR, although pending a proper VR controler implementation in MSFS that could even be better. And what ever you need to press on the keyboard, you learn to feel were the buttons are afer a while. So no need to see them.

[dogmanbird 269]

I've removed the nose flap and don't use a face plate. I've stuck padding directly to the G2 with no padding under the eyes. I'm able to peer out through the now huge gap at whatever I need to see for keyboard mouse, TV etc. It's like virtual mixed reality 😉 can i patent that?

[-Belga- 141]

1 hour ago, andreh said:

The advantages of the oculus HMDs compared to the HP Reverbs are bigger sweetspot (the edges of the image isn't as clear as the center), significantly better and easier software and setup,better performance (at the cost of lower res, of course) and of course price. Half the price or less of a G2.

It doesn't seem like G2 is worth it since everyone is upscaling using the OpenXR Toolkit to get acceptable performance. If you have to do that you might as well get the Oculus and save yourself a bundle.

And the lower price is paid via a forced link to your Facebook account and everything that comes along with it. Since the last thing I'd ever do in my life would be getting a FB account, the oculus is out of consideration for me (and surely a lot of other people). 

Edited May 12, 2022 by -Belga-

[andreh 125]

42 minutes ago, -Belga- said:

And the lower price is paid via a forced link to your Facebook account and everything that comes along with it. Since the last thing I'd ever do in my life would be getting a FB account, the oculus is out of consideration for me (and surely a lot of other people). 

Yes, there's also that, which I completely understand. I've had an FB account since 2008 so it's too late for me. Damage is done. 🙂

 

[dogmanbird 269]

Something I've noticed between MSFS and DCS, is that the G2 seems to have a larger sharp sweet spot in DCS. Maybe MSFS is reducing the resolution of the outer rings in it's fixed foveated rendering? Possibly how it achieved improved performance a few updates back?  

[Zcott 55]

To be slightly more on topic, yes, the plane is great in VR and the performance is silky smooth - I’m surprised how much smoother and better this plane runs than the A32NX.