@Cpt_Piett & @Virtual-Chris I'm thinking of buying an LG C1 or C2 42inch to use as a monitor and for simming and have some questions that after seeing your discussion above, I'd love to know your thoughts on.

• Have either of you tried using it as a monitor for other stuff like web browsing?
• Are the colours accurate enough for photo and video editing?
• Do you have any issues with screen dimming (I saw some videos showing this especially with white screens like word processors? 
• One thing that has me on the fence, is the issue of longevity, especially dead pixels appearing after a couple of years. What are your thoughts on this? How long do you expect your TV/monitor to last? What are your thoughts on the following video showing dead pixels on a 2019 Sony OLED that was used as a monitor? Do you know if the LG is any better in terms of lifespan?
• Do you think 42 inch is a good size to use as a monitor and for simming, or do you think 48 inch or bigger is better (I will be sitting fairly close to the screen at my desk)?
• What are your thoughts on the LG C1 versus the new LG C2 model? Is the C2 worth the extra money?
• Are there any things about the C1 that annoy you?

Your responses would be much appreciated as most of the youtube video reviews are paid by sponsors making it very hard to know what is real. @Cpt_Piett Would it be possible to record with your phone the VRR flickering issue you were having so I can try to see how bad (or not) it is?

Thanks in advance to you both.

Steve.

 

3 hours ago, Virtual-Chris said:

I can confirm that turning G-Sync/VRR off fixed the flashing. Image looks awesome. Never seen such black blacks on a TV or monitor. Love it. I don’t see any benefit to VRR at all. 

Excellent! I'll turn G-Sync off for now and setup for a dawn departure from Kelowna 🙂 

Edited August 26, 20223 yr by Cpt_Piett

@steve310002 I highly recommend an LG OLED panel and can't really think of that many good reasons not to go for such a display. 

Have either of you tried using it as a monitor for other stuff like web browsing?

Yes. Since changing from an IPS monitor to my LG CX more than a year ago, I've been using this for all of my PC stuff and all of my TV stuff. 

Are the colours accurate enough for photo and video editing?

I used to do a lot of photo editing, but that was before I got my LG, so I'm afraid I'm not up to date on this anymore. 

Do you have any issues with screen dimming (I saw some videos showing this especially with white screens like word processors? 

I think what you may be referring to is the auto-dim feature of the panel. And yes, I do notice this very frequently as it's an inbuilt feature of the panel to protect against burn-in. I'm very happy the panel has this feature, in case I leave the PC for a while with e.g. AVSIM and it's white background on. And of course if I leave MSFS running and go do some stuff around the house. It's easy to return the panel to it's normal state - just a quick Alt-Tab to switch to a different program on the PC. If I return after only a few minutes, the panel will have dimmed down considerably. If I had been away for longer I would have returned to find the TV in standby mode. 

One thing that has me on the fence, is the issue of longevity, especially dead pixels appearing after a couple of years. What are your thoughts on this? How long do you expect your TV/monitor to last? What are your thoughts on the following video showing dead pixels on a 2019 Sony OLED that was used as a monitor? Do you know if the LG is any better in terms of lifespan?

I did a lot of research before I got my OLED. I bought it with the aim of using it as a TV - to watch Netflix, movies etc. But when I discovered how good it was for MSFS there was no turning back. So I spent a lot of time investigating whether it would be "safe" to use it in this way. I came to the conclusion that - most likely, yes.  So I'm sort of taking a calculated risk. Have I noticed any signs of burn-in (image retention) or burn out (dead pixels)? No signs whatsoever. And this is with more than a year with heavy use as a PC monitor. 

Do you think 42 inch is a good size to use as a monitor and for simming, or do you think 48 inch or bigger is better (I will be sitting fairly close to the screen at my desk)?

I'd say generally get the biggest panel that you can afford. Other than that I think there's a lot of information out there re: the optimal viewing distance. I've seen a lot of AVSIM users with more knowledge than me on this topic, so hopefully they can chime in. 

What are your thoughts on the LG C1 versus the new LG C2 model? Is the C2 worth the extra money?

I'll leave this one for @Virtual-Chris as I have a CX.

Are there any things about the C1 that annoy you?

Same 🙂

1 hour ago, steve310002 said:

Would it be possible to record with your phone the VRR flickering issue you were having so I can try to see how bad (or not) it is?

It's daytime here so perhaps too much ambient light. I'll see what I can do 😉

Edited August 26, 20223 yr by Cpt_Piett

1 hour ago, Cpt_Piett said:

It's daytime here so perhaps too much ambient light. I'll see what I can do 😉

Thanks a million for all the answers @Cpt_Piett That's most helpful. I'll research more about viewing distance versus size of screen. I can afford the biggest model, it's more whether bigger than 42 or 48 inch then causes neck or eye strain and makes day to day use of the tv as a monitor too impractical. I tend to prefer big screens but see so many people online warning against going bigger than 42/43 inches for a monitor. I will be sitting about 1 meter from the screen at my desk. 

I'm really looking forward as well to what @Virtual-Chris has to say.

I have this OLED C1 48" and love it and have had no issues. I also found that in flight sim G_sync is best left off, There is also this on the Horizon which looks interesting.

 

Edited August 26, 20223 yr by FreeBird(Josh)

1 hour ago, FreeBird(Josh) said:

I have this OLED C1 48" and love it and have had no issues. I also found that in flight sim G_sync is best left off

Is this due to the VRR flickering issues discussed in this thread?

21 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Is this due to the VRR flickering issues discussed in this thread?

Yes unless you can maintain 60 or above FPS in 4K then use it. The best I can do is about 45FPS so I lock at 30 and Vsync on in sim. I have turned it off in the OLED menu.

2 hours ago, FreeBird(Josh) said:

I have this OLED C1 48" and love it and have had no issues

How far back do you sit from the screen? Do you find 48 inch a strain on your eyes and neck (if you use it at a desk)? How is it for general PC usage like email typing, word processor etc,?

3 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Excellent! I'll turn G-Sync off for now and setup for a dawn departure from Kelowna 🙂 

Some interesting reading here guys,

Appreciate you sharing all the info. I did hook my PC up to my 65 inch X90J and had a play around with it to see how the VRR worked. I didn’t have a huge amount of time unfortunately but what I found was natively the TV was set to 60Hz when connected to my PC and with VRR on it didn’t seem as smooth panning around the cockpit as it is when locked at 60FPS. I may have not chosen the right settings to be fair in NVCP. Then I realized I could actually set the refresh rate to 120Hz in Windows and then with VSYNC on in NVCP I capped the frames at 40 in Riva and it was really smooth, this got me thinking as I know 60FPS is the ultimate goal for smoothness in MSFS but I cannot maintain this in complex aircraft and scenery so I went back down to my bog standard 43 inch TCL 4K TV and set a custom refresh rate of 50Hz in windows and then locked fps in Riva to 50. I dialled back a couple of settings just a little so I can maintain a solid 50fps in the PMDG etc and it’s as smooth as 60FPS and the GPU still has some breathing space. I’ve been trying to chase 60fps for so long I don’t know why I didn’t try this before lol

Id be curious to see what your sim runs like at both these options (120Hz refresh rate and locked 40fps and then custom 50Hz refresh rate and locked 50fps) I couldn’t go much lower than 50 before the motion became a little jerky which may be my TV having zero motion controls.  If one is able to constantly hit a decent frame rate say 45 - 50 and with a custom refresh rate is there a need for VRR?

Happy Friday 

29 minutes ago, steve310002 said:

How far back do you sit from the screen? Do you find 48 inch a strain on your eyes and neck (if you use it at a desk)? How is it for general PC usage like email typing, word processor etc,?

I sit about 30 to 32 " from screen. 48" is close to real size 55" is Spot on. I never gotten eye strain. I use this PC just for Flight sim but when I do use it for web browsing images and text are all crisp and sharp.  The thing you want to stay away from is any static images.  I have my background black and have my icons on the task bar or the start menu. If I want to leave the computer on and leave for awhile I just turn the monitor off.

40 minutes ago, RJC68 said:

Id be curious to see what your sim runs like at both these options (120Hz refresh rate and locked 40fps and then custom 50Hz refresh rate and locked 50fps) I couldn’t go much lower than 50 before the motion became a little jerky which may be my TV having zero motion controls.  If one is able to constantly hit a decent frame rate say 45 - 50 and with a custom refresh rate is there a need for VRR?

For most of the time I've been running MSFS with fps locked at 30 using RivaTuner. After joining the latest beta, as well as upgrading my system, I found I could achieve much higher fps in most situations. Since that I've let fps run uncapped and I've used G-Sync. I do a lot of quick panning around in external view, as well as fly a lot close to the ground, and I find that the higher fps, the more smooth the sim is. Hopefully this answers your question. 

Happy Friday 🙂

21 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

For most of the time I've been running MSFS with fps locked at 30 using RivaTuner. After joining the latest beta, as well as upgrading my system, I found I could achieve much higher fps in most situations. Since that I've let fps run uncapped and I've used G-Sync. I do a lot of quick panning around in external view, as well as fly a lot close to the ground, and I find that the higher fps, the more smooth the sim is. Hopefully this answers your question. 

Happy Friday 🙂

Thank you,

I have heard a lot of positivity regarding SU10. That is really good to hear. For now until the update drops I will keep my custom refresh rate of 50Hz as it really does seem to yield good results with this TV I have currently 

39 minutes ago, RJC68 said:

Thank you,

I have heard a lot of positivity regarding SU10. That is really good to hear. For now until the update drops I will keep my custom refresh rate of 50Hz as it really does seem to yield good results with this TV I have currently 

I see no problem with this. I keep switching back and forth to see what works best. I've been very happy using G-Sync and my TV's native 120Hz in SU10 beta. But I might have to reconsider that after @Virtual-Chris made me aware of the VRR flicker 🙂

Edited August 26, 20223 yr by Cpt_Piett

I now am running g-sync off, uncapped, with V-sync set to Fast in NV Control panel. I use to use the in-game v-sync back in the day so that works also, but I think v-sync fast in NV CP is lower latency and less laggy. I get about 50-60FPS. 

Everyone was raving about the performance of the latest SU10 beta build in DX11 so I jumped in and didn’t see a FPS difference… so SU10 is now where SU9 is, but HDR in SU10 is broken. You need to switch to Window mode and resize the window to force HDR to work. Then switch back to full screen mode. 😞

 

5 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said:

Everyone was raving about the performance of the latest SU10 beta build in DX11 so I jumped in and didn’t see a FPS difference… so SU10 is now where SU9 is, but HDR in SU10 is broken. You need to switch to Window mode and resize the window to force HDR to work. Then switch back to full screen mode. 😞

I know. I can't say that I have significantly better performance in SU10 either. I'm quite happy with the performance I get in SU9 though. In the early stages of the beta things were pretty sweet. I.e. when DX12 was working - before they chose to disable the VRAM memory manager.