2 hours ago, btacon said:

You are quite wrong if you feel Asobo / MSFS 2020 lacks vision. 

I understand this is a long term project. Can you remind me how many years Asobo / MS will actively develop it?

If it’s multiple years that suggests to me that there’ll never be a fixed long-term version as we had with the many versions of Microsoft Flight Sim since 1986 when v1 was released. Same with XPlane and P3D with discrete versions released every few years.

I don’t know any other game where the original program has multiple major updates several times a year over an unknown number of years. And if the user decides they want to get off the roundabout and stick with what they have... well that’s not possible is it? Enforced updates rule that out.

I know this isn’t the MSFS forum but if I posted this over there I’m not sure the responses would be that helpful to me.

So I’ll use this forum as neutral ground and apologies for briefly changing the discussion.  My post is more of a reason why I’m so reluctant to jump ship. I like stability hence why I like P3D.

8 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I understand this is a long term project. Can you remind me how many years Asobo / MS will actively develop it?

If it’s multiple years that suggests to me that there’ll never be a fixed long-term version as we had with the many versions of Microsoft Flight Sim since 1986 when v1 was released. Same with XPlane and P3D with discrete versions released every few years.

I don’t know any other game where the original program has multiple major updates several times a year over an unknown number of years. And if the user decides they want to get off the roundabout and stick with what they have... well that’s not possible is it? Enforced updates rule that out.

I know this isn’t the MSFS forum but if I posted this over there I’m not sure the responses would be that helpful to me.

So I’ll use this forum as neutral ground and apologies for briefly changing the discussion.  My post is more of a reason why I’m so reluctant to jump ship. I like stability hence why I like P3D.

Sounds like MSFS just isn't for you. 

9 minutes ago, Chapstick said:

Sounds like MSFS just isn't for you. 

Got it in one.

43 minutes ago, Chapstick said:

Sounds like MSFS just isn't for you. 

And that’s a fair choice and one that should never be criticized or judged. What is not fair is ignoring the a amazing progress the MSFS platform has made in just two years. There is nothing in simulation that can match its visuals and ambiance. Flight models are steadily improving and are reasonable facsimiles of flying an aircraft, which is all any simulation does. It provides a facsimile of real flight for those who cannot accomplish real flight for whatever reason. 

At the end of the day, the PMDG 737 for MSFS flys every bit as well as the PMDG 737 for P3d, and yes…both have bugs. The FENIX A320 matches and exceeds the FSL and Aerosoft A320 offerings in many ways.  

If you don’t want to fly MSFS, ok, but I do. And don’t ridicule my choice OR my simulator without experiencing it because you would be assuming too much and you know what happens when you assume. 

Respectfully,

-B

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I don’t know any other game where the original program has multiple major updates several times a year over an unknown number of years. And if the user decides they want to get off the roundabout and stick with what they have... well that’s not possible is it? Enforced updates rule that out.

 I do. The hugely successful Sims people/social simulator, i.e. Sims 4 franchise to name one. There are many others but few have the scope and sales of the Sims platform

-B

@btacon, never played it. I asked you a question in my earlier post. Do you know the answer please?

5 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@btacon, never played it. I asked you a question in my earlier post. Do you know the answer please?

Are you really asking? I genuinely thought you were trolling. It's been said many times that MS/Asobo view it as a ten-year project. 

10 minutes ago, Chapstick said:

Are you really asking? I genuinely thought you were trolling. It's been said many times that MS/Asobo view it as a ten-year project. 

I don’t troll and I resent the suggestion. 10 years minus 2 leaves 8. Thank you.

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I understand this is a long term project. Can you remind me how many years Asobo / MS will actively develop it?

As many as the market will bear I’m confident. 10 is the current target. Why do you ask?  
 

-B
 

P3d is my sim of choice, and I have both sims.  To me, P3d by Lockheed Martin is so much closer to the multi-million dollar sims that professionals use to train.  I've seen many videos of the professional simulators and MSFS doesn't even come close to what those simulators seem to show on their screens. In THAT respect, MSFS is somewhat cartoonish (in the nicest sense of the word).  P3d is going to go on, in my humble opinion far longer than the doomsayers predict.  It is only steps away from a major update or significant update to entrench itself in its users minds and hearts.

MSFS is a sim that I use ONLY when I want to see autogen that is seemingly more detailed and therefore it is my sim for flying low and slow...VFR only.  When I want to use the big iron and fly significant distances nationally or internationally, it is the P3d engine that I will undoubtedly continue to use.  I also use P3d for VFR as well because the unending number of planes to choose from is at my disposal from many, many sources.

To each his own, but I sincerely look forward to many more years of P3d just getting better and better.

Stan

51 minutes ago, btacon said:

"don’t know any other game where the original program has multiple major updates several times a year over an unknown number of years. And if the user decides they want to get off the roundabout and stick with what they have... well that’s not possible is it? Enforced updates rule that out."

 

 

 

 I do. The hugely successful Sims people/social simulator, i.e. Sims 4 franchise to name one. There are many others but few have the scope and sales of the Sims platform

-B

LM bought the rights to commercially develop the ESP platform in 2010 and has released a completely new version every 2-3 years since, with 4-5 sub-revisions to those major builds.

The program in now in it's 5th iteration over the last 12 years, so you could argue it's on par if not exceeding what MSFS has delivered to date.

 

While the forced updates can be a bear for many, it also saves both devs and users the question of what is the most current version. IMO this a good thing over time if not a minor inconvenience for those of us used to the "old way of doing things"

Edited August 8, 20223 yr by ZLA Steve

5 minutes ago, btacon said:

As many as the market will bear I’m confident. 10 is the current target. Why do you ask?  
 

-B

I didn't know about the 10 year "target".  Good to know I have at least 8 more years to fly and observe how LM develops their simulator.  Of course, the big question is... will MS still be in the sim business in 8 years?  They've been known to, uhhmmm, "disappear".  Webesee!😁

12 minutes ago, btacon said:

As many as the market will bear I’m confident. 10 is the current target. Why do you ask?  
 

-B

I’ve had the answer. That’s all I needed to know thank you.

36 minutes ago, ZLA Steve said:

LM bought the rights to commercially develop the ESP platform in 2010 and has released a completely new version every 2-3 years since, with 4-5 sub-revisions to those major builds.

LM do not have rights to commercially develop and market the ESP code only for none commercial internal development, MS did offer the commercial rights to MS flight sim but they had no takers. 

1 minute ago, rka said:

Also I want to add I find it hilarious how a moderator can on page 2 of a thread warn people to ONLY discuss P3D and in page 3 try and turn the topic into a discussion about how soon Asobo will stop developing MSFS.

My post gave the reasons why I’m happy to stay with P3D. A brief explanation of why I preferred to stay with it then followed.

And asking one question about the timescale of MSFS is not turning it into a discussion. Once I had the answer that was enough for me.