4 hours ago, SAS443 said:

For some reason the SOP in our 172S calls for F10 departures, which makes the plane very tail-heavy if you depart with standard T.O trim. Big difference from our older pipers, for sure. 🤡

There are different models some require 10 degrees of flaps for short field take off some earlier not. The only situation we all 172 agrees is soft field take off - always 20 degrees of flaps LOL

Frankly I would like to see older 172 like N model. They have 40 degree flaps which makes them a bush plane. Cessna stripped 40 degrees flaps starting with P model due to accident associated with them.

17 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

There are different models some require 10 degrees of flaps for short field take off some earlier not. The only situation we all 172 agrees is soft field take off - always 20 degrees of flaps LOL

Frankly I would like to see older 172 like N model. They have 40 degree flaps which makes them a bush plane. Cessna stripped 40 degrees flaps starting with P model due to accident associated with them.

That is good info. 

Bagolu (highly regarded modder) has done a bush version of the Asobo C172, and it has 40 degree flap capability, along with an upgraded engine and camber cuffs on the wings.
It's a lot of fun!

https://flightsim.to/file/12387/cessna-172-bush-kit

3 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

That is good info. 

Bagolu (highly regarded modder) has done a bush version of the Asobo C172, and it has 40 degree flap capability, along with an upgraded engine and camber cuffs on the wings.
It's a lot of fun!

https://flightsim.to/file/12387/cessna-172-bush-kit

It would be fun to see if you could combine the Upgrade with some of Bagolu's mods for the Steam C172 esp the Bush and Taildragger mods.

3 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

It would be fun to see if you could combine the Upgrade with some of Bagolu's mods for the Steam C172 esp the Bush and Taildragger mods.

Hey!  Stop coming up with those great ideas!  I might look into this.

There is a chance that it might breach the terms of the licence with Just Flight if we start messing without permission, but I wonder if JF would be receptive to the idea if it isn't too much work, or give modders permission to fiddle with it at least?

3 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

Hey!  Stop coming up with those great ideas!  I might look into this.

There is a chance that it might breach the terms of the licence with Just Flight if we start messing without permission, but I wonder if JF would be receptive to the idea if it isn't too much work, or give modders permission to fiddle with it at least?

If you want I can ask the question on the WB Sim Discord ?

8 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

If you want I can ask the question on the WB Sim Discord ?

Yes please!  I am not on discord.

2 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

Yes please!  I am not on discord.

I thought that might be the case 🙂
Question asked.

And we have permission to see just how badly this will break MSFS
A fun game for the long weekend 🙂

The dev is going to give it a try as well so there's even the vaguest of possibilities something useful could come from this....

Edited August 25, 20223 yr by Matchstick

14 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

Frankly I would like to see older 172 like N model. They have 40 degree flaps which makes them a bush plane. Cessna stripped 40 degrees flaps starting with P model due to accident associated with them.

I flew a 40 degree flap "barn door" c152 a couple of times.

In the 152, with 40 degree of flap out, maintaining level flight was barely possible and any climbing at all, even straight and level,  was absolutely out of the question. If you forgot to raise the flaps on a go-around, I could see things getting very nasty quickly especially if there where obstacles near the runway.

On the plus side you could wipe off a lot of excess altitude in no time at all and the nose down attitude meant the view on final was fantastic, Going full flaps on final was a bit like going downhill on a roller coaster.

Edited August 26, 20223 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

Can't understand why this Dev's do not the open doors and windows..??

cheers 😉

Question before I buy: does this also improve the built-in checklists like the Steam Gauge Overhaul C208?

1 hour ago, pmplayer said:

Can't understand why this Dev's do not the open doors and windows..??

cheers 😉

They would have to decompile the whole Asobo 3D-model and re-work it, as opening doors are not built in to the default Asobo models*, the functionality just isn't there. 
It would then be considerable work to make them openable and animated, and I am not even sure they are allowed to do it under the licence.

*The only model I know that had opening doors built in by Asobo was the TBM, and these were activated by the freeware improvement mod afterwards.
As this was one of the first models Asobo developed for MSFS, it seems they abandoned the opening doors / windows idea on everything else they developed after that - maybe to save time, or because someone said 'people don't really want opening doors - they just want to fly'.

What I will say is, while I think it is good to have opening doors, people do tend to get a bit fixated by the whole thing.
I can count on one hand the amount of times I have actually opened a door, and even then it is normally when it is my first time in an aircraft, and then never to be opened again! 

PS.  The C152 improvement mod also has opening doors, but it took the team a significant time to completely remodel it in 3D - it is no quick fix. 

2 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

They would have to decompile the whole Asobo 3D-model and re-work it, as opening doors are not built in to the default Asobo models*, the functionality just isn't there. 
It would then be considerable work to make them openable and animated, and I am not even sure they are allowed to do it under the licence.

*The only model I know that had opening doors built in by Asobo was the TBM, and these were activated by the freeware improvement mod afterwards.
As this was one of the first models Asobo developed for MSFS, it seems they abandoned the opening doors / windows idea on everything else they developed after that - maybe to save time, or because someone said 'people don't really want opening doors - they just want to fly'.

What I will say is, while I think it is good to have opening doors, people do tend to get a bit fixated by the whole thing.
I can count on one hand the amount of times I have actually opened a door, and even then it is normally when it is my first time in an aircraft, and then never to be opened again! 

PS.  The C152 improvement mod also has opening doors, but it took the team a significant time to completely remodel it in 3D - it is no quick fix. 

I usually open the window after engine start to listen for the change in sound, then think "cool", close it again and that's that. 

44 minutes ago, Holdit said:

I usually open the window after engine start to listen for the change in sound, then think "cool", close it again and that's that. 

True!  And that is an immersive part of the sim.  I would definitely put opening windows well above opening doors, just for that reason.  

The number of times I've taken off with the window open (or even the door open!) - lol!

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