I was surprised to find that the Carenado V-35 performs rather well in the current MSFS live weather conditions. I tried the default Cessna 172 which "drove" off the runway into a hedge (despite full opposite rudder and into wing aileron). The modded DA40 suffered the same fate. The Carenado dealt with it pretty well which I found surprising seeing as they're not exactly known for their "flight dynamics".

This may be a combination of a new aircraft using the latest MSFS SDK and/or Microsoft winding back the ground friction effects on runways. Not sure which it is but if you'll excuse the sketchy take-off (it's a bit twitchy) the landing went pretty well despite being out of crosswind limits. I did attempt to apply into wing aileron as I landed but I'm not sure whether MSFS models that "on ground" so I ended up touching down on the left gear.

Wind speed for info in data at top left of the video. As you will see I was having to view the runway out of the side window it was that windy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHsDdhGGXYc

 

Edited September 26, 20223 yr by TrafficPilot

In MSFS, the Carenado are often easier to control than all the default planes, both on the ground and in the air.
However realistic this is, hard to say, but I think most planes in MSFS are a bit twitchy, but it could be my controller.

 

I don't own Carenado V35. But from my experience V35 other than more  dutch roll V35 would be easier to land. Generally heavier airplane handle cross wind better. For example during average crosswind 14-15 kts v35  would easier to land than 172 and 172 is easier to land then J3.

Now if you battling crosswind in V35 with steam gauges I'd prefer glass. Glass would provide a better info of wind direction, velocity vector and etc. Compare two photos below both from V35

 

9 hours ago, TrafficPilot said:

 

 The Carenado dealt with it pretty well which I found surprising seeing as they're not exactly known for their "flight dynamics".

Nice landing given the conditions. Asobo are really giving us what we want.

10 hours ago, Alpine Scenery said:

it could be my controller.

It is and it isn't. I had the same twitchiness with a TM 1600, but when I upgraded to a Fulcrum One, the controls started behaving pretty much perfectly. But there's a lot more travel in that yoke than there is in the joystick, and MSFS does not do a good job of mapping output curves to compensate no matter what you set them to. In short, it works fine if you're lucky enough to have one of the pricey long-throw controllers, but everyone else gets the twitchiness.

 

Edited September 27, 20223 yr by eslader

Not proper technique for a RW crosswind approach & landing (unless you've got swinging undercarriage gear). Try again but have your nose pointing straight down the runway before the main gear touches down, and your windward-side gear should be touching first. 

Carenado planes will often run out of rudder control and not always allow proper technique in heavy winds. At least that's the way they used to be, dunno about nowdays as it's been a long time since I purchased.

3 hours ago, hangar said:

Not proper technique for a RW crosswind approach & landing (unless you've got swinging undercarriage gear). Try again but have your nose pointing straight down the runway before the main gear touches down, and your windward-side gear should be touching first. 

Carenado planes will often run out of rudder control and not always allow proper technique in heavy winds. At least that's the way they used to be, dunno about nowdays as it's been a long time since I purchased.

Ha! You have sharp eyes and ears Sir. I was wondering who would spot my error. Unfortunately landing in a crosswind in MSFS is still a rather scary experience due to the weird flight dynamics. In that clip I ran out of into-wind aileron and also kicked in a little too much opposite rudder I suspect. Carenado products are very twitchy hence why this was the first purchase of one of their products for nearly 20 years!

Oh and I've performed many crosswind landings in real life and so far haven't broken anything but doing the same in MSFS is...interesting.

 

Here is old vid that remind us  that real life is far from perfect

 

4 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

 

Here is old vid that remind us  that real life is far from perfect

 

Nutters.

21 hours ago, TrafficPilot said:

Wind speed for info in data at top left of the video. As you will see I was having to view the runway out of the side window it was that windy!

Good video! X-wind landings are not the easiest, both in sim as in RL. They’re fun though! And we get to try silly stuff in the sim that no one in their right mind would do in RL 🙂

EDIT: just saw @sd_flyer’s video, lol 😂 

Edited September 27, 20223 yr by Cpt_Piett

And wondering why somebody would fly in these conditions (unless an emergency occurred) exceeding the aircraft limitations, unstabilized, touching down halfway down the runway, almost out of control?

Reckless operation?

The end results are very telling about their judgment.

Outstanding job!

 

If I remember correctly - I was taught this by my flying instructor (now a senior training captain at BA) when starting my PPL training:

"There Are Old Pilots, and There Are Bold Pilots, But There Are No Old, Bold Pilots"

Never a truer word spoken. I want to be an Old PIlot 🙂

Edited September 27, 20223 yr by TrafficPilot

1 hour ago, TrafficPilot said:

If I remember correctly - I was taught this by my flying instructor (now a senior training captain at BA) when starting my PPL training:

"There Are Old Pilots, and There Are Bold Pilots, But There Are No Old, Bold Pilots"

Never a truer word spoken. I want to be an Old PIlot 🙂

There are Old Bold Pilots! 😉

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Bold_Pilots_Association

 

1 hour ago, LRBS said:

And wondering why somebody would fly in these conditions (unless an emergency occurred) exceeding the aircraft limitations, unstabilized, touching down halfway down the runway, almost out of control?

Reckless operation?

The end results are very telling about their judgment.

Outstanding job!

 

Here in US if one flies  Part 91 they can shoot approaches even when weather forecasted below minimums and it's perfectly legal to try . Part 91 is also offer absolutely legal take off with 0x0 visibility. Most GA airplanes don't have crosswind limitation only maximum demonstrated crosswind component, which  are not compulsory. So everyone (flying part 91) pretty much is welcome to try any crosswind as long as their fit to personal minimums.

Also for GA fleet It's not unheard off to get got caught  up by unforecasted winds which once in while popped up suddenly or way earlier than forecasted . With legal VFR 30 minutes fuel reserve sometimes it's hard to find suitable  choices to deviate. Downdraft, LLWS, gusts - GA eats it all. And you can only do so much to maintain perfectly stabilized approach during those times.

P.S.  youtube vid  I posted above was shot at Corona airport (KAJO). The guy who shot it  is retired air traffic controller. He knows first hand when so called "santa ana winds" ascends to Southern California. ATC stress is immense, traffic flow is chaotic! LA basin suffer the most. KLAX, KLGB, KONT, KSNA, KBUR and etc are packed together and all have scheduled ops which can stress ATC system to it's limit 

 

2 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

Here in US if one flies  Part 91 they can shoot approaches even when weather forecasted below minimums and it's perfectly legal to try . Part 91 is also offer absolutely legal take off with 0x0 visibility. Most GA airplanes don't have crosswind limitation only maximum demonstrated crosswind component, which  are not compulsory. So everyone (flying part 91) pretty much is welcome to try any crosswind as long as their fit to personal minimums.

Also for GA fleet It's not unheard off to get got caught  up by unforecasted winds which once in while popped up suddenly or way earlier than forecasted . With legal VFR 30 minutes fuel reserve sometimes it's hard to find suitable  choices to deviate. Downdraft, LLWS, gusts - GA eats it all. And you can only do so much to maintain perfectly stabilized approach during those times.

P.S.  youtube vid  I posted above was shot at Corona airport (KAJO). The guy who shot it  is retired air traffic controller. He knows first hand when so called "santa ana winds" ascends to Southern California. ATC stress is immense, traffic flow is chaotic! LA basin suffer the most. KLAX, KLGB, KONT, KSNA, KBUR and etc are packed together and all have scheduled ops which can stress ATC system to it's limit 

 

That's where we might have a disagreement. 

 

That's why there are so many accidents here in the States under Part 91 rules. 

 

Yes, demonstrated crosswind listed in the flight manual (we call it FCOM) it's not a limitation, it is how the airplane is certified.

Yes, we can operate outside of that, but when you get involved in an incident or accident you will be charged with reckless operation + other nonsense that they can think about. Unfortunately in many cases this "welcome to try any crosswind as long as their fit to personal minimums." and not knowing your real limitations brings us to serious consequences, as you noticed in that video.

 

If you do good flight planning, chances of mishaps are very slim. Wx, forecast winds, etc in our days are very accurate. Flying commercially for a living all over the globe I noticed 2 or 3 times wind busts per year.

 

Yes, small airplanes have an issue regarding 30 min fuel requirement as you mentioned. But in the US there are so many airfields and airports where you can land before your destination due to unforeseen situations without entering in the 30 min VFR requirement.

 

I'm afraid that we have different opinions on this subject.

Statistics about those issues are explanatory.