21 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Why don't you understand how utterly incorrect those statements are?

Because the only thing you have offered up to show it as incorrect is a simulation of a few military helicopters that doesn't include 99% of the helicopter simulation X-Plane does?

To analogise you are saying it is incorrect that "a Subaru impreza can not come close to an F1 car in a drag race".

To analogise I'm pointing out you stopped watching 1 minute in to a 2 minute video

1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said:

but I do wonder why you believe their review of the AW 109 is positive

You are just 100% incorrect that DCS has one that comes close, it doesn't even have one....

Edited November 10, 20223 yr by mSparks

It is not that DCS cannot simulate other helicopters or XP cannot simulate one's that DCS does  , it's just that it's a military flight sim , any 3pd can make an AS350 or a 412 for DCS but that's not point of DCS and the same goes for XP. 

Now, someone will say then why is DCS simulating the UH1 ? that's because it was involved in that nonsense war as a utility and as a gunship.

 

50 minutes ago, Humpty said:

it's just that it's a military flight sim , any 3pd can make an AS350 or a 412 for DCS

No, this isn't true.

The difference is much much more fundamental than that.

DCS is a game engine you can build helicopters for from absolute scratch

X-Plane is a thoroughbred flight simulator where virtually all the hard work is already done for you, right up to "level D simulator" type features such as:

And all that is required for a rendition of a helicopter nothing else can touch is for someone - anyone, they don't even need to be a "developer"  - to do, is fill in the dimensions and engine specs into plane maker and you have one simulated with literally decades of highly qualified experience built in.

DCS doesn't even have an open developer program.

Hence: 

1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said:

...absolutely nothing can compete with any helicopter ever made for X-Plane though, so lets just list them all..."
"...even the most basic thrown together heli in XP by someone who has never actually sat in a cockpit far exceeds anything you can get anywhere else..."

Also

50 minutes ago, Humpty said:

it's just that it's a military flight sim

XP can do mil to, potentially better than DCS, for example with a little afternoon tweaking you can jump in the Tigre in VR and use the look targeted gun to burn up delivery trucks bound for obnoxious fans of the not competition while they cry about the latest delays.

Does DCS even have nuclear weapons? (because xplane does...)

Edited November 10, 20223 yr by mSparks

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

No, this isn't true.

The difference is much much more fundamental than that.

DCS is a game engine you can build helicopters for from absolute scratch

X-Plane is a thoroughbred flight simulator where virtually all the hard work is already done for you, right up to "level D simulator" type features such as:

And all that is required for a rendition of a helicopter nothing else can touch is for someone - anyone, they don't even need to be a "developer"  - to do, is fill in the dimensions and engine specs into plane maker and you have one simulated with literally decades of highly qualified experience built in.

DCS doesn't even have an open developer program.

Hence: 

Also

XP can do mil to, potentially better than DCS, for example with a little afternoon tweaking you can jump in the Tigre in VR and use the look targeted gun to burn up delivery trucks bound for obnoxious fans of the not competition while they cry about the latest delays.

Does DCS even have nuclear weapons? (because xplane does...)

The only thing I can say to you is that for YOU X-plane is the only flight simulator and the best one !

I am sorry to say this to you , but I think you should get out of the XP tunnel.

Have you even tried DCS or tried developing an aircraft for it ?  DCS is a closed development , you need a license to make one.

I am sure if someone mentions il2 you will have an answer for that too.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, mSparks said:

Because the only thing you have offered up to show it as incorrect is a simulation of a few military helicopters that doesn't include 99% of the helicopter simulation X-Plane does?

To analogise you are saying it is incorrect that "a Subaru impreza can not come close to an F1 car in a drag race".

To analogise I'm pointing out you stopped watching 1 minute in to a 2 minute video

You are just 100% incorrect that DCS has one that comes close, it doesn't even have one....

"...is a simulation of a few military helicopters that doesn't include 99% of the helicopter simulation X-Plane does?..."

OMG - you're absolutely incredible. Jumping from one hyperbole to another and yet still never yet offering any evidence to support your claim or debunk mine beyond Red Herring / Non-sequiturs.

"...You are just 100% incorrect that DCS has one that comes close, it doesn't even have one...."

No...really? Can you please point out where I said that DCS has a 109? Once again demonstrating that you can't separate a simulator's intangible capabilities for fidelity with the "tangible" addons you actually get to play with.

This isn't about which addons exist in either or both simulators, it's about the fidelity of the addons that have come from each, and whether there is a definite difference therein.

You can't even absorb the concept, even when it comes from IRL pros who have made their careers flying IRL helicopters and have given their opinion on the fidelity of the helos available out there. Even when there's a 1 to 1 comparison, for crying out loud.

Your close-minded attitude and obstinance is incredible (and "incredible" is literal rather than complimentary).

3 hours ago, Humpty said:

 tried developing an aircraft for it ?

yes

3 hours ago, Humpty said:

DCS is a closed development , you need a license to make one.

which I never signed because XP doesnt and is much more capable.

3 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

This isn't about which addons exist in either or both simulators, it's about the fidelity of the addons that have come from each, and whether there is a definite difference therein.

The topic is about "your favourite helicopter".

There are two ways to think of that,

The first is to narrowly consider which is your favourite helicopter out of the choice of helicopters available and ready now. 

The other is

To pick your favourite helicopter(s) "irl". 

I pointed the out better definition is the second one, and that "nothing else can touch xplane" in terms of getting a high fidelity simulation of your favourite helicopter - even if that doesnt exist yet.

Get it?

3 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Can you please point out where I said that DCS has a 109

When you said I was wrong that nothing can touch xplane to get a simulation of e.g. an AW109 because DCS can (one of my 3 favourite helicopters, which I posted real life pictures of the ones I have access to on the first page of the thread following the post you disagree so vehemently with)

Edited November 10, 20223 yr by mSparks

8 minutes ago, mSparks said:

yes

which I never signed because XP doesnt and is much more capable.

The topic is about "your favourite helicopter".

There are two ways to think of that,

 

If you didn't sign then how can you state that one can just use the graphics engine and make any aircraft ?  What about the 3pd e.g. Leatherneck who has made the famous Mig21 Bison ? Are you saying they just used the graphics engine and made a 90% replica ? So if the graphics engine is capable of doing that , then shouldn't we agree that DCS is way more capable ?

Yep it's about the fav helicopter and my statement in no way contradicts that  ,  was only saying that both sims can have any helicopter if a 3pd wants to make one.  For me DCS / XP are the closest and most enjoyable for helis.

I would advice you to try DCS , the Mi-8 especially. Right now free trial is available.

 

34 minutes ago, Humpty said:

If you didn't sign then how can you state that one can just use the graphics engine and make any aircraft ?  What about the 3pd e.g. Leatherneck who has made the famous Mig21 Bison ? Are you saying they just used the graphics engine and made a 90% replica ? So if the graphics engine is capable of doing that , then shouldn't we agree that DCS is way more capable ?

couple of resources that are available

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/193666-sdk-released-to-everyone/

vs

https://developer.x-plane.com/

https://github.com/X-Plane

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/209883-xtlua-parallel-lua-for-complex-aircraft-systems/

Of my three favourite helicopters, only the SA341 is available for both DCS and XPlane (my favourite high performance heli, its specs are phenomenal) XP actually has several, the freeware one by John Brey is already better than the single option for DCS, aiui he also helped JRX with their payware one.  

That's not even saying anything negative about the version for DCS - BUT they are limited by the simulator, and will almost certainly never get the other myriad of aspects of simulating a helicopter that come by default with XPlane, decent second place tho... 

Just like DCS can't touch the AW109 because it doesn't even have a AW109 (and never will get a civilian passenger heli)

DCS can't touch an XP SA341 because DCS will never have basic functionality like simple home cockpit integration, an Instructor station or a good local scenery. (the list is a lot longer than that, but just those three is enough of a gap to conclude "DCS can't touch XP")

Edited November 10, 20223 yr by mSparks

11 minutes ago, mSparks said:

couple of resources that are available

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/193666-sdk-released-to-everyone/

vs

https://developer.x-plane.com/

https://github.com/X-Plane

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/209883-xtlua-parallel-lua-for-complex-aircraft-systems/

Of my three favourite helicopters, only the SA341 is available for both DCS and XPlane (my favourite high performance heli, its specs are phenomenal) XP actually has several, the freeware one by John Brey is already better than the single option for DCS, aiui he also helped JRX with their payware one.  

That's not even saying anything negative about the version for DCS - BUT they are limited by the simulator, and will almost certainly never get the other myriad of aspects of simulating a helicopter that come by default with XPlane, decent second place tho... 

Just like DCS can't touch the AW109 because it doesn't even have a AW109

DCS can't touch an XP SA341 because DCS will never have basic functionality like simple home cockpit integration, an Instructor station or a good local scenery. (the list is a lot longer than that, but just those three is enough of a gap to conclude "DCS can't touch XP")

DCS not meant for civil, i hope you understand that. 

They are two different platforms, if you like military stuff then DCS, if you want civil with some type of combat then xp.  And DCS doesn't want to or need to touch xp, it's amazing as it is.

Now i am sure you will again come up with some other thing and keep on going 😅 .

Xp is a rubbish flight sim , and one more thing please post a new screenshot, that has gotten too old ☺️

Edited November 10, 20223 yr by Humpty

20 minutes ago, Humpty said:

They are two different platforms, if you like military stuff then DCS

Austin disclosed in the pulled dev Q&A that the US air force had already picked X-Plane and how they were using it..... I'm still pretty sure that is the reason that dev Q&A got pulled rather than the stated reasons... he really shouldn't have been talking about that...

but in case you missed it recently

So no, DCS is a great game, CSGO is a great game, AC7 and IL2 are great games.

But nothing can or will touch XP for helicopter simulation in the forseeable future.

20 minutes ago, Humpty said:

and one more thing please post a new screenshot, that has gotten too old ☺️

Oh I will, I've just not gotten that far yet, the Sparky744 for XP12 is currently outpacing the FBW A320 in downloads by 6 times over (3 times the downloads in half the time), and I'm also pretty busy with all the gumpf that needs testing and building for the XXX/aircraft/target_damage array dataref atm.....

 

Edited November 10, 20223 yr by mSparks

11 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Austin disclosed in the pulled dev Q&A that the US air force had already picked X-Plane and how they were using it..... I'm still pretty sure that is the reason that dev Q&A got pulled rather than the stated reasons... he really shouldn't have been talking about that...

but in case you missed it recently

So no, DCS is a great game, CSGO is a great game, AC7 and IL2 are great games.

But nothing can or will touch XP for helicopter simulation in the forseeable future.

Oh I will, I've just not gotten that far yet, the Sparky744 for XP12 is currently outpacing the FBW A320 in downloads by 6 times over (3 times the downloads in half the time), and I'm also pretty busy with all the gumpf that needs testing and building for the XXX/aircraft/target_damage array dataref atm.....

 

Firstly show some proof that the US air force picked xp for it's use. What does the photo of Austin trying to prove , all i see is a red light with some displays and Austin trying to irritate 😁 , There were  also talks that the US air force uses the DCS A10 and the F15 for training  though a few years ago. 

Why don't you try DCS and then decide ? But i know you will not , so i won't take your word that nothing touches xp for helicopters   . And we already derailing the thread , so let's just quit here and let the original discussion carry on , as history has proven that threads get locked.

And all the best for the 747 development. 

But i will catch you once I get the vskylabs R44 

 

@Humpty,  the worlds in DCS & IL2 are as flat as Mumbai.... As flat as in flatulence...

You're flat... or is it fat? 

I live in a flat...

Is Earth flat?

XP is the best Miggy sim - you just have to find the right Mig-21 for it.... then make Austin's head about fixing the swept-back wings bug...

Next november 11th MFS will release their choppers !  Let's see what they bring ! I'm looking fwd into it, and I hope we can get yet another heli alternative.

And BTW, ARMA3 and Take On Helicopters are the BEST heli sims ever made for a desktop sim!

Ronaldo is the BEST player in the World, not Messi! Messi is better, but he doesn't care...

 

 

Edited November 10, 20223 yr by jcomm

25 minutes ago, Humpty said:

Firstly show some proof that the US air force picked xp for it's use.

In there if you can find a copy ^^^ not sharing my copy.

Edited November 10, 20223 yr by mSparks

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

In there if you can find a copy ^^^ not sharing my copy.

Not sharing ! that means you yourself don't have it 😁 nice try.

1 hour ago, jcomm said:

@Humpty,  the worlds in DCS & IL2 are as flat as Mumbai.... As flat as in flatulence...

You're flat... or is it fat? 

I live in a flat...

Is Earth flat?

XP is the best Miggy sim - you just have to find the right Mig-21 for it.... then make Austin's head about fixing the swept-back wings bug...

Next november 11th MFS will release their choppers !  Let's see what they bring ! I'm looking fwd into it, and I hope we can get yet another heli alternative.

And BTW, ARMA3 and Take On Helicopters are the BEST heli sims ever made for a desktop sim!

Ronaldo is the BEST player in the World, not Messi! Messi is better, but he doesn't care...

 

 

Indian curry ! great flatulence ! 

Should I buy MSFS ?