8 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Really? afaik they don't even have publically available SDKs, let alone an open file format so you can take whatever has come before and customise it into a perfect rendition of your favourite (pretty much every helicopter ever made except the Robisons have highly unique cockpits and systems, much like each years hypercar is different than the last)

So if my favourite helicopter is a Gazelle model SOKO HN-45M Gama 2, DCS or FS4 are options for that?

This one

Or do they just have something "kinda" like it, in the same way a 2008 Yamaha R1 is "kinda" like a 2015 Yamaha R1

You can say that XP has a better RANGE of good helos to fly than those two sims and no-one in here will be able to disagree.
However that's not what you have said in this thread, but if that is what you meant then that's fine.

BTW what's the XP option for the SOKO HN-45M Gama 2 as I adore the Gazelle but I've only seen the Freeware and the JRX version.

Edited April 7, 20233 yr by Matchstick

6 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

But that not what you have said in this thread.

you mean

On 10/20/2022 at 12:10 AM, mSparks said:

Just a simple observation that even the most basic thrown together heli in XP by someone who has never actually sat in a cockpit far exceeds anything you can get anywhere else. There really are no other options? FSX? good grief no.

Probably a more interesting focused question is "whats you favourite helicopter and why"

 

I still stand by it, you need zero experience of helicopters or development, and never had to have sat in a cockpit to create a perfect rendition of your favourite helicopter model in XP12 that will pass even the most brutal rw test pilots evaluations, all you need is the time, the will and a copy of XP12.

Edited April 7, 20233 yr by mSparks

7 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Its always glass half empty for you.  I have used AutoOrtho all over the USA, Europe, Australia and parts of Africa without many problems.

It's not a question of glass half full or half empty.
It is a question of correct information.
It is unrealistic information to assume that with Ortho streaming you can get the same worldwide quality as the MSFS photographic scenery in real time.
Anyone can verify that the tiles imported from Ortho have many graphic homogeneity problems.
I myself with Ortho tried to map the country in which I live (northern Italy), but I had to abandon the enterprise, the tiles were terribly defective to the point of forcing me to give up using the Orthos and go back to flying with the conventional "scenarios generic".
The tiles in that area had wrong colors and lots of flat clouds stuck to the tiles.

The question is: is it possible to fly on such a scenery?
Of course, just close one eye and we fly without problems.
Does MSFS also generate these bad scenery?
Generally not.
MSFS does not use raw scenery, it uses scenery processed by artificial intelligence which takes care of eliminating the defects present in the raw tiles.
Ortho can't do that process, he just downloads raw tiles and puts them into the simulator.
If we are lucky we will find uniformly mapped areas.
But surely we will also find many bad tiles like the ones I showed.
In my Ortho scenery there are many bad tiles, in the Alps, France, Greece, Switzerland, Sicily... they are practically everywhere.

 

However, MSFS tiles also have a problem that XP does not.
They blur at high altitudes.
I had already addressed this issue on the MSFS forum, and as is customary, everyone jumped at me because I had brought to light a burning truth that the "FS fans" didn't like. 😄

Edited April 7, 20233 yr by efis007

1 minute ago, efis007 said:

It is unrealistic information to assume that with Ortho streaming you can get the same worldwide quality as the MSFS photographic scenery in real time.

That won't last that long for GA, those on the sharp side of bleeding edge already don't have this issue, there is nothing magic about MSFS ground textures, its more just about having access to a modern OS rather than windows...

 

9 minutes ago, mSparks said:

you mean

I still stand by it, you need zero experience of helicopters or development, and never had to have sat in a cockpit to create a perfect rendition of your favourite helicopter model in XP12 that will pass even the most brutal rw test pilots evaluations, all you need is the time, the will and a copy of XP12.

And yet the real world helo crew I've keep in contact with (I lived in Cornwall near RNAS Culdrose and had aircrew for neighbours) rate DCS and FS2/4 above XP when helos have been discussed online.

6 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

I've keep in contact with

bring them into the conversation, no point in talking about them behind their back, or putting words in their mouth. I'm really not into that whole he said, she said we said basis of evidence.

Edited April 7, 20233 yr by mSparks

LOL, next time I speak to any of them I'll mention this conversation, who knows they may want to join in.

But ultimately I'm going to put their opinions above yours on there grounds 1) I know them and their experience and 2) what they say fits with limited experience - that for me the best helo flight experience is in FS4 and the best modelled helos in DCS

 

Edited April 7, 20233 yr by Matchstick

4 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

LOL, next time I speak to any of them I'll mention this conversation, who knows they may want to join in.

But ultimately I'm going to put their opinions above yours on there grounds 1) I know them and their experience and 2) what they say fits with limited experience - that for me the best flying helos are in FS4 and the best modelled are in DCS

 

Or more likely they just don't understand that generally speaking the best of the XP helis (aircraft in general) are not publicly available, because the people who make them generally work one on one with specific customers, same as any other commercial flight simulator.

They often even come with full onsite cockpit installations.

Edited April 7, 20233 yr by mSparks

9 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Or more likely they just don't understand that the best of the XP helis (aircraft in general) are not publicly available, because the people who make them generally work one on one with specific customers.

That's veering dangerously close to claiming that we wouldn't know your girlfriend because she goes to another school.

If we're taking one of custom or private/military work then the chances seem good that P3D has work that could beat anything I can point to but we can never know. And then there's that contract work at least one of there DCS Dev teams have done that's well never be publically available - who knows if a helo forms part of that.

Honestly this conversation is pointless if we can't agree on a basic criteria for judgement like the items being judged are publically available.

Edited April 7, 20233 yr by Matchstick

Just now, Matchstick said:

That's veering dangerously close to claiming that we wouldn't know your girlfriend because she goes to another school.

Probably, but just suggest they give

https://www.vskylabs.com/p/vskylabs-robinson-r44-raven-ii/

a spin with the governor script I posted, and I suspect they will come round quickly.

I'll give that a try myself.

Personally I think the VSkyLab R44 isn't Vskylabs best and prefer their G2 Cabri and for a Piston helo in XP the Dreamfoil S300 is a generally better choice.

But as I say I'll try the script.

1 minute ago, Matchstick said:

I'll give that a try myself.

Personally I think the VSkyLab R44 isn't Vskylabs best and prefer their G2 Cabri and for a Piston helo in XP the Dreamfoil S300 is a generally better choice.

But as I say I'll try the script.

Well, we're talking rw helis, chances are they have flown an R44, so know what to look for. I went kinda over the top customising mine, got pretty much perfect copies of all the ones I have flown except YU-HTB, but glass cockpits don't work so good on my VR setup.

 

They are Royal Navy pilots so I wouldn't count of them ever having flown an R44.

Certainly never spoken of flying one in training, only SA341Cs and then into the big stuff.

30 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

Personally I think the VSkyLab R44 isn't Vskylabs best and prefer their G2 Cabri

I must try this one.  I have the R44 and R66.  My absolute favourites so far is the Bell 412 and AW109.

21 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

They are Royal Navy pilots so I wouldn't count of them ever having flown an R44.

they may well have flown a gazelle then,

point them to

https://github.com/John-Bray/GAZL-1132-BETA

And explain that is what someone bored on a friday evening, who has never sat in a cockpit, and flies with a keyboard (aiui) can knock together.

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/273143-developer-spotlight-john-bray/

Edited April 7, 20233 yr by mSparks