1 hour ago, Alpine Scenery said:

It still seems to auto-flare in the PMDG even if you don't enable the Flare or Auto-B. I've been meaning to try a "real" auto-landing, but not sure I can tell any difference. Will try on my next landing.

Have a look at the YT videos done by 737NG Driver. He's a RW 737 pilot, as well as a member of the PMDG tech team. I've learned a ton of new stuff by watching these. Highly recommended!

4 hours ago, Gazzareth said:

But not Altitude 00000 ??

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I can't speak for Southwest, but at another US carrier TDZE altitude is set rounded up to the nearest 100 feet on glideslope capture to monitor the green arc on the ND being at the runway threshold to ascertain that the aircraft is following the glideslope correctly and also not following a false signal. Thus you can see 100 feet set in the MCP during approach if the airport is at or close to sea level. Missed approach altitude is then set at 1000 feet RA. My guess is that the reason is similar for Southwest. You can see the green arc around the runway threshold in the screenshot.

1 hour ago, Alpine Scenery said:

I'm not a real pilot, so no idea, all I know is I read you are supposed to enable both for real-world landings. I am not sure it makes any difference in the SIM though if you enable the other one (maybe but I've never compared it), though it's the proper procedure in real-life.

It still seems to auto-flare in the PMDG even if you don't enable the Flare or Auto-B. I've been meaning to try a "real" auto-landing, but not sure I can tell any difference. Will try on my next landing.

It was no autoland. Once AP A is engaged and APP armed, AP B has to be engaged for dual channel (in case one AP goes haywire), single channel on the PFD disappears and the FMA will show FLARE in white (= armed). If FLARE isn't armed it won't engage at 50 feet RA and the aircraft won't autoland. The autothrottle will automatically retard thrust during flare if engaged, even with the AP off.

Perhaps what you saw was exaggerated ground effect (?) or wind/gust effects close to touch down.

Edited November 2, 20223 yr by threegreen

Sure, but this isn't a "real plane". Try it yourself and see what you think, was that a flare, I guess so (seems like it)...

41 minutes ago, Alpine Scenery said:

Sure, but this isn't a "real plane". Try it yourself and see what you think, was that a flare, I guess so (seems like it)...

It's supposed to behave like a real plane though. If it autolands even though it's not configured for an autoland that would be a huge bug. I can't imagine that went unnoticed until now. Maybe you can upload a short clip of what happens at around 100 feet RA.

13 minutes ago, threegreen said:

It's supposed to behave like a real plane though. If it autolands even though it's not configured for an autoland that would be a huge bug. I can't imagine that went unnoticed until now. Maybe you can upload a short clip of what happens at around 100 feet RA.

I don't know enough about it, get someone else to test that has actually auto-landed before, not saying you are wrong, just saying it felt like a flare to me. I never auto-landed in Xplane 11 or FSX either, just never really felt a need for it. I think there is one plane I may have auto-landed in P3D, but I forget which one it was, and it was a long time ago. To me it would seem like a minor bug, when comparing it to the "stuck brake" or the FMC stops accepting even the most basic of inputs (like setting an origin). 

Edited November 2, 20223 yr by Alpine Scenery

13 minutes ago, Alpine Scenery said:

I don't know enough about it, get someone else to test that has actually auto-landed before, not saying you are wrong, just saying it felt like a flare to me. I never auto-landed in Xplane 11 or FSX either, just never really felt a need for it. There is one plane I have auto-landed in P3D, but I forget which one it was, and it was a long time ago.

Maybe I can do a quick test tomorrow if I find the time to see what happens when leaving the AP on through 50 feet RA on a non-autoland single channel ILS approach. I don't have the 600 though.

Edited November 2, 20223 yr by threegreen

I am learning more about the 73NG in this thread than I have over the last year, lol.

So my contrarian pot stirring has some use after all...
 

16 minutes ago, Alpine Scenery said:

So my contrarian pot stirring has some use after all...
 

Is that what we're calling being wrong about something these days?

lol

Since I'm not a pilot, I have no way to know for sure, if I see a malfunctioning plane in general, I assume other bugs.

The stuck brake and the FMS not accepting input is a bug I believe.
The light going on-off-on-off is also a bug I believe, though it staying off is not the part of the bug.

 

Edited November 2, 20223 yr by Alpine Scenery

I don’t have locked brakes or any fms issues. About 25 600 flights or so. But I guess I’m just one data point 

4 minutes ago, Alpine Scenery said:

Since I'm not a pilot, I have no way to know for sure, if I see a malfunctioning plane in general, I assume other bugs.

The stuck brake and the FMS not accepting input is a bug I believe.
The light going on-off-on-off is also a bug I believe, though it staying off is not the part of the bug.

 

Have you considered any simpler explanations to these “bugs”?

Yes, I have considered that people are so hard-headed in here that when you mention an issue they try to turn it into politics instead of just addressing the issue.  Look at the release notes and how many state bugs have had to be fixed. They did have a more complex job than most. Yet, it is the buggiest plane I own, and I fly every plane in the game pretty much. I already posted the link to the PMDG forums outlining the stuck brake bug. The FMS bug, I very very seriously doubt this could happen on a real plane with the real instrumentation. I don't have the luxury of owning a real 737, if you buy me one, then I can be more certain of what I'm doing. I'll be waiting for the check.
 

Edited November 3, 20223 yr by Alpine Scenery

Mr. Scenery, are you okay?

Apparently, they only give the release notes in the forum, this is for the 700 (and I assume applies to the 600 - not sure), look how many bugs have been fixed in only 2 updates on the 700. I stand by my original statement, it is the most feature rich plane (for sure), but with all those features comes the largest number of bugs as well.

PMDG 737 for Microsoft Flight Simulator Build 3.00.0039 Change List:
================================================== ==================
0011197: [Systems - Electrical] GND Power can not be selected on with BAT OFF (rsrandazzo)
0011787: [Systems - Fuel] APU Feeds off both main tanks with Crossfeed closed and all boost pumps on (rsrandazzo)
0011778: [FREEZES - All Types] Protection for an APP with DEST airport sequenced (emvaos)
0011827: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] Sunshades ON by default? (hvanrensburg)
0011663: [AFDS - General] F/D Pop up mode for Take Off logic refinements (emvaos)
0011682: [AFDS - Pitch Modes] VNAV MCP light when TO/GA pressed (emvaos)
0011375: [General - Flight Model] ALT ACQ mode does not allow V/S and LVL CHG (emvaos)
0011708: [FMS - Performance Pages] DES PATH UNACHIEVABLE message logic (emvaos)
0011718: [FMS/AFDS - VNAV] 240/FL100 restriction resetting automatically (emvaos)
0011791: [Main Panel - PFD] Round Radio Altitude indication error on takeoff (abashkatov)
0011790: [Main Panel - PFD] Round Radio Altimeter position incorrect on PFD (abashkatov)
0011835: [External Model - Geometry] Window shades permanently open/showing (jbrown)
0011836: [External Model - Geometry] Lower Deck Cargo Doors on BCF only moving "door" but the door handle remains in close position (jbrown)
0011720: [Systems - IRUs/Navigation Controls] IRS Transfer switch does not allow offside FCC to engage (emvaos)
0011651: [FMS/AFDS - VNAV] More TRK to RADIAL and TRK to INTC impossible paths and LFP stabilisation (emvaos)
0011081: [FMS - Failures Pages] Bleed Overpressure failure needs adjustment of 220psi switch and trip reset logic (rsrandazzo)
0011080: [FMS - Failures Pages] Eng Bleed 9th stage fail inoperative (rsrandazzo)
0011837: [Systems - Wheels & Brakes] Landing Gear Uplock Latch Release Failure added to all builds. (rsrandazzo)
0011648: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Text overlap on FO's breakers (vscimone)
0011659: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Flicering at FMC keyboard (vscimone)
0011660: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Small VC gaps on CDU bay (vscimone)
0011662: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Pilots Aft CB Labeling (vscimone)
0011825: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Stall Warning and Mach Warning test buttons animate incorrectly (vscimone)
0010601: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Addition of Sunshades to the aircraft (vscimone)
0011822: [External Model - Liveries] Water Service Panel F3_Comp Map (jbrown)
0011802: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] Sunvisors should be "mountable" independent of one another (vscimone)
0011801: [General - Unsure] Please make the sunshades optional (hvanrensburg)
0011804: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] Green Sunvisor colliding with sliding window (vscimone)
0011810: [External Model - Liveries] Piece of carpet in the ceiling? (jbrown)
0011777: [Main Panel - General/Unsure] Voice recorder switch should trip to AUTO position at 50%N2 of the first engine started (rsrandazzo)
0011689: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] Zone temp controllers stuck in 10'clock position (abashkatov)
0011670: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] Temperature Selectors stuck on 11° o'click setting (abashkatov)
0011797: [General - Unsure] Load screen message shows "737-700" while compiling the 800 (rsrandazzo)
0011766: [General - Suggested/Missing Features] Suggestion: Show the versionnumber of the aircraft on the OP PROGRAM line on FMC IDENT page (rsrandazzo)
0011788: [External Model - Liveries] Request for 2 more and one changed Ryanair liverie(s) (psterling)
0011789: [External Model - Liveries] 9H-QAH missing "Operated by Malta Air" sticker (psterling)
0011763: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Hydraulic A OFF text missing black background (vscimone)
0011793: [General - Ground Operations] Stairs should not connect at 1L door in Cold and Dark panelstates when aircraft is equipped with Airstair (hvanrensburg)
0011785: [General - Unsure] Ryanair 9H-QAH Verified Options incorrect (cmakris)
0011786: [General - Unsure] Ryanair EI-EMI Verified Options incorrect (cmakris)
0011780: [Systems - Air Conditioning/Heating] BCF/BDSF Air Conditioning Temp Control Knobs (hvanrensburg)
0011767: [General - Unsure] BDSF Airstairs should be inhibited in the FMC (hvanrensburg)
0011762: [FMS/AFDS - VNAV] U14 : SPD INTV results in FMC SPD + VNAV PTH (emvaos)
0011761: [FMS/AFDS - VNAV] Handling HOLD deceleration in DES (emvaos)
0008053: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] Extra CVR Swtich (vscimone)
0011758: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] Map lights and Grimes lights should swivel (hvanrensburg)
0011410: [External Model - Geometry] Cabin Window Detail (jbrown)
0010670: [General - Unsure] Time on clocks should dash out when respective sides GPS fails (abashkatov)
0011058: [Main Panel - ND] VNAV deviation scale bracket should expand/contract with the RNP (abashkatov)
0011748: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Parking Brake Indicator Brightness? (vscimone)
0011665: [General - Suggested/Missing Features] Request option to make TO thrust bump optional (emvaos)
0011746: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Add voice recorder switch (vscimone)
0011717: [External Model - Geometry] Cabin seats observations (jbrown)
0011750: [External Model - Geometry] MLG hub mirrored to the wrong side (jbrown)
0011636: [FMS/AFDS - VNAV] Entering SPD/ALT restrictions over SPD/WPT entry in 3L VNAV CLB/DES pages (emvaos)
0011739: [External Model - Geometry] Gap by Winglet (jbrown)
0011737: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Passenger window reflection effect (jbrown)
0011747: [External Model - Geometry] Cabin windows not aligned -800 (jbrown)
0011738: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] EFIS Panel texture error (vscimone)
0011269: [FMS - Setup/Options Pages] Changing Fail Passive into Fail Operational changes stby instruments to ISFD ONLY (abashkatov)
0011705: [FMS/AFDS - LNAV] Dynamic (INTC) from present position inhibited prior to TO (emvaos)
0011729: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Holes around captian's hand mike area (vscimone)
0011079: [FMS - Failures Pages] Brake Temp unit failure inop (rsrandazzo)
0011645: [FMS - Route/Legs Pages] RTE Offset related fixes [new LFP] (emvaos)
0011316: [Systems - Wheels & Brakes] Hydraulic Accumulator pressure should be 1000psi vice 750psi. (rsrandazzo)
0011719: [General - Ground Operations] Baggage trucks blocking fuel truck (hvanrensburg)
0011674: [Systems - Flight Controls] Flap Lever in 5 clickspit appears to be setting Extension to the 1 position (hvanrensburg)
0011598: [FMS/AFDS - LNAV] Stabilising impossible paths (disconnected arc) right departure (emvaos)
0011681: [FMS/AFDS - LNAV] Stabilisation of TRK/HDG to ALT calculation with very small altitude difference from last (emvaos)
0010855: [Main Panel - PFD] There should be no space sign in NO VSPD flag (abashkatov)
0011685: [General - Documentation] Addition to introduction document about the new parking brake operation (hvanrensburg)
0010986: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Map light and surrounding textures look lower resolution (vscimone)
0011707: [External Model - Geometry] Right outbound trailing edge flap not flush with wing (jbrown)
0011661: [External Model - Geometry] BDSF cargo door inop - door does not open (jbrown)
0010408: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] STAB TRIM WHEEL Mouse Click/Wheel Behavior (hvanrensburg)
0011664: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] PACK lights INOP in 738 (hvanrensburg)
0011706: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] Logo light has 3 positions when using a mouse scroll wheel on it instead of the usual 2 (hvanrensburg)
0010667: [FMS - Failures Pages] FMC failure should cause VTK flag to show on ND (abashkatov)
0011688: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] AC Temperature Gauge always on Celcius (abashkatov)
0011592: [General - Ground Operations] External power shouldn't be required to request or release jetbridge (hvanrensburg)
0011754: [Systems - Air Conditioning/Heating] Air Temp display selector knob issues (hvanrensburg)
0010807: [Main Panel - PFD] leftover remain on PFD from SPD REF usage (abashkatov)
0010445: [Main Panel - ND] Position Trend Vector occasionally N/A (abashkatov)
0011023: [Main Panel - ND] ILS DME should not be shown on ND (abashkatov)

0011475: [Main Panel - General/Unsure] Removing non working Color changing options from FMC (abashkatov)
0011474: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Screw on upper display unit floating in space (vscimone)
0011468: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] Landing Gear lever animation missing through the OFF position (hvanrensburg)
0011320: [General - Suggested/Missing Features] ARPT_RWY.dat size is zero, ie empty on some customers (abashkatov)
0011330: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Typos on flight kit stowage placards (vscimone)
0011345: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] Transponder Scroll issue (abashkatov)
0011374: [Systems - Fire Protection] Fire Bottle Discharge lights do not come on for almost 20 seconds after discharge (rsrandazzo)
0011376: [FREEZES - All Types] RTA waypoint sequencing or deletion provisions (emvaos)
0011381: [External Model - Geometry] Belly light bleed through cabin (jbrown)
0011382: [General - Documentation] aircraft.cfg text - use of coma error (rsrandazzo)
0011384: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Poly clipping on ceiling (vscimone)
0011391: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] VC gap, outiside eviroment visible (vscimone)
0011393: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Main Panel indicator housing needs more detail (vscimone)
0011395: [External Model - Geometry] Wet touchdown Water Spray from Main wheels is reversed Left/Right (jbrown)
0011399: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Throttle Screw texture alignment off (vscimone)
0011411: [Systems - Flight Controls] LE Flaps and Slats retract with B system off after Alternate Flap Extension (rsrandazzo)
0011413: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Glareshield geometry wrongly changed on latest update (vscimone)
0011417: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] F/O side window cable clipping (vscimone)
0011419: [External Model - Geometry] BBJ Texture flickering on left side beneath the cockpit (jbrown)
0011422: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Stab trim cutout switched texture needs a touch up (vscimone)
0011389: [General - Documentation] Tutorial Typo Errors (hvanrensburg)
0011392: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Front window serial Number sticker shows only when there is a solid object in front of the plane (vscimone)
0011397: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] Bank Angle selector no longer works with Mouse Wheel and cannot be rolled to the right except from the FO side. (hvanrensburg)
0011429: [External Model - Geometry] Cabin windows have a rainbow effect applied (jbrown)
0011431: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] HGS panel on pedestal is not back-lit (hvanrensburg)
0011444: [Virtual Cockpit - Functionality/Click-Spots] Many switches and knobs animate instantly and should be slowed down (hvanrensburg)
0011473: [Systems - Flight Controls] throttle animation requires algorithmic improvement to animation function (rsrandazzo)
0011472: [Systems - Flight Controls] Control column/yoke animation requires algorithmic improvement to animation function (rsrandazzo)
0011471: [Systems - Flight Controls] Trim Wheel Animation incorrect and not working as expected (rsrandazzo)
0011443: [Sounds - Internal/Cockpit] Trim sounds not working (rsrandazzo)
0011445: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Overhead GEN panel texture updates and improvements (vscimone)
0011449: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] HGS Display on FO Main panel does not protrude enough (vscimone)
0011460: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Various text spacing issues on CB panels (vscimone)
0011461: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Erroneous space on smoke hood placard (vscimone)
0011459: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Window stickers disappear with sky in background (vscimone)
0011457: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Text missing on captain's emergency rope hatch (vscimone)
0010424: [Systems - Fire Protection] Extinguisher TEST Switch and Fault/Inop and Overheat/Fire TEST Switch should be spring-loaded to center. (hvanrensburg)
0011387: [General - Unsure] Popup key commands should be added to documentation (hvanrensburg)
0011451: [External Model - Geometry] COMM/EXT Power panel issues (jbrown)

Edited November 3, 20223 yr by Alpine Scenery