14 minutes ago, Noel said:

Ahh, but it was a contribution you just didn't see it:  why is it that I don't have a need, and others do?  

 

Edited December 28, 20223 yr by hs118

32 minutes ago, Noel said:

Ahh, but it was a contribution you just didn't see it:  why is it that I don't have a need, and others do?  

Because of your unique inability to see that others have different experiences than you. 

Edited December 28, 20223 yr by hs118

22 minutes ago, hs118 said:

Because of your unique inability to see that others have different experiences than you. 

To be clear I bring up the cryptic response because my sincere belief is that people here have no idea about what I'm referring to with regard to near zero frame time variance and how this eliminates the need for fast frame rates, at least above a certain minimum.   If you have the hardware for fast frame rates anywhere in anything, that reduces the need for zero FTV.  I just learned this within the past few months and it's totally changed the game for me.  As Jazz points out, the real basis for this need for graphics profiles has in large part to do with the perceived need for faster frame rates, and it's simply not the case if you understand how to obtain near zero frame time variance.  This is so counter to the default belief that it's going to be intially viewed as false, wrong, etc, but I guarantee you it isn't, it's truly game changing.

21 minutes ago, Noel said:

To be clear

¯\_(ツ)_/¯  It seems to me you are still not getting it. Might I recommend you start your own thread from which to proselytize?
 

 

Edited December 28, 20223 yr by hs118

47 minutes ago, Noel said:

That's right, I have no need for it. 

Then - why on earth jump in and disrupt the thread ??

And yes, we all know by now that you have ultra-smooth performance 🙂

What happened to your original post? Did you delete it?

1 minute ago, hs118 said:

¯\_(ツ)_/¯  It seems to me you are still not getting it. Might I recommend you start your own thread from which to proselytize?

Okay no worries I will leave you to this unnessary approach to solve the issues you're focused on.  Best Wishes

39 minutes ago, Noel said:

My guess is you don't realize this because you've never seen it but the key to ultra-smooth animation does not depend on fast frame rates--the much more effective approach is to achieve near zero frame time variance.  In fact, were you to witness this with a framerate of say 33, you would prefer it to 50.  Few understand this but it's true, and counterintuitive until you've seen it yourself.  I guarantee you would be baffled by how good 33 is on the ground, during taxi, or anything.  I have virtually zero stutters anywhere, liquid smooth animation everywhere and in any plane.

Well, you guess completely wrong. I've been doing this a very long time, fella. I'm not as word not allowed as you have assumed I am. I'm fully aware of what creates a "smooth" appearance as are most here as the concept is neither difficult to understand nor "counterintuitive" to them either. But things have moved on and a near zero frame time varience and 33 FPS looks inferrior to a near zero frame varience at a much higher FPS. Why would you even want to keep it lower if you have the hardware to make it higher? Silliness. Neither am I willing to run a rate below the free-sync range of my monitor and put up with the issues that creates.

I'm not going to get into a nonsense argument about it either. Not only because it has absolute nothing whatsoever to do with the original purpose of the thread but also because you may be happy with 33 FPS and not perceieve the difference but I do. As do others.

TImes and tech have moved on.

2 minutes ago, Jazz said:

Why would you even want to keep it lower if you have the hardware to make it higher?

This tells me on no uncertain terms you've not experienced this personally or you would not ask this question.   Continue on privately if you care to otherwise I'll leave here now and I apologize for entering the thread--though my intentions are golden, but agreed the method was not, I understand.

Cheers

1 hour ago, Noel said:

This tells me on no uncertain terms you've not experienced this personally or you would not ask this question.   Continue on privately if you care to otherwise I'll leave here now and I apologize for entering the thread--though my intentions are golden, but agreed the method was not, I understand.

Cheers

Dude,

I got tell you, this cabal/cult of FTW that is so super secret "I can only tell you in private" is not only kinda weird, but also kinda creepy.

Why don't you just say "Hey, if you want super smooth animation at 33 FPS while flying jetliners in MSFS, here is how to do it" and then proceed to give us the dope.

Oh, and BTW please mention that 33 FPS is not so good if you like flying military jets at low altitude or doing formation flying or, for sure, not using VR.

The private was to avoid further intrusion into the thread is all.  I fly the TBM as well so not just hard performaning jetliners.  No experience with either VR nor doing formation flying, and I understood VR is a different animal.  At some point I will create my own thread on this discovery for all to see and some will be stoked to benefit from I'm certain.  It's true Nirvana for those with now modest hardware.

2 minutes ago, Noel said:

At some point I will create my own thread on this discovery for all to see and some will be stoked to benefit from I'm certain.

What are you waiting for?

36 minutes ago, Jazz said:

What are you waiting for?

Actually, I did early on, and I just found it in a poll thread I started: https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/625977-how-much-stuttering-do-you-experience-in-msfs/?do=findComment&comment=4869414

I've been able to add extra information to this very long post (since buying a Gsync screen, and discovering how to limit AI traffic w/ FSLTL, and learned AccuSeason was not contributing to performance overhead) and so hopefully can make a much simpler post to get to what matters if possible.  I do know I am ultra sensitive to poor quality animation which is why I went into all of that to try to overcome, and I clearly have, and that is the Nirvana part.  I am ultra aware of what a frame rate of 60 looks like compared to what I now use.

The beliefs you expressed above run ultra deep here--the idea that a necessary condition for exquisitely fluid animation lies in fast frame rates.  This is the default belief so when proposing something that counters that conclusion is presented it takes a lot to overcome, so I want to make sure I present it well.  I can imagine people who are convinced otherwise will appear and brush it off w/o giving it the proper test and carry along a few others with them.  My sense is there is an inverse relationship to frame rate and FTV effects on how we perceive animation:  the higher the frame rate, the lower the need for ultra low FTV.  This is why this method is optimal for those with hardware similar to mine. 

I'll leave one last teaser:

This was an FTV capture unlocked in the PMDG 738.  The dominant frame rate thru my new Gsync Ultimate display was in the low to mid-40's as you can see.  Mind you, had I been in the TBM930 we would have probably seen over 60fps:

Now here is the same flight except limited to 34fps by this method, and only this method, as I've tried this with all other permutations available to me.  And here's the clincher:  this was absolutely superior to unlocked, and that is despite Gsync:

I have also managed to eliminate essentially all stuttering of any kind, and that includes at arrival airports like KJFK etc, in the PMDG 738 (most demanding plane I currently use).  I say essentially because rarely I may get one ultra brief stutter on a 2h flight, but often not even that.  This, I believe is helped by the frame limiting method perhaps, but there are other steps taken that do play a role in this part.  And this is new for me since getting on to this.  As most of us have experienced flying into complex terminals often is associated w/ signficant degredation in performance but I've managed to avoid this in very large part now.  I will review these in my thread.   My testing is limited to my hardware, and I have no experience w/ VR, AMD GPUs, FreeSync displays, etc, so parts of this may not apply as well for those types of systems.  

Okay, sorry I've again gone into overtime, so will from henceforth not reply further here.

Edited December 28, 20223 yr by Noel

Facepalm .... bruh !! Take the hint ....

12 hours ago, Rockliffe said:

This is typically one of the important updates that should be addressed by Asobo IMO, rather than concentrating on so much of their eye candy releases that they seem so concerned about. Along with that, why not have profiles that change with the aircraft you fly, rather than having to access the controls panel every time you change a plane and start reselecting the different profiles for the different controllers.

I believe that Asobo should expand on the aircraft container system they currently have -- by adding /saving controller profiles and even performance profile with the aircraft.

That way, it's "per aircraft"...a lot less fiddling, more flying.