16 minutes ago, Paul K said:

I'm also in the PMDG camp, and think RSR was perfectly justified in the tone of his response.

I'm with this chap. Seemed like a perfectly reasonable response to me.

All this EFB commotion is a bit over the top from the community.......yes it would be nice and yes other devs already have it implemented but it's clear there are some technological issues preventing it appearing in the 737 quickly. 

Personally I can wait, I've flown the 737 much more than any other aircraft and haven't missed it.   It's not like I jump in the Fenix and praise the lord I have an EFB.  To be honest I use my 2nd screen for charts which is much easier to look at when I'm flying than flicking my views in the virtual cockpit.  In my opinion the major thing missing from the 737 is a performance calculator for take offs/landings which I'm sure will come with the EFB, but I can wait it's not a deal breaker.  I find that VERY hand in the Fenix.  

39 minutes ago, sidfadc said:

All this EFB commotion is a bit over the top from the community.......yes it would be nice and yes other devs already have it implemented but it's clear there are some technological issues preventing it appearing in the 737 quickly. 

Personally I can wait, I've flown the 737 much more than any other aircraft and haven't missed it.   It's not like I jump in the Fenix and praise the lord I have an EFB.  To be honest I use my 2nd screen for charts which is much easier to look at when I'm flying than flicking my views in the virtual cockpit.  In my opinion the major thing missing from the 737 is a performance calculator for take offs/landings which I'm sure will come with the EFB, but I can wait it's not a deal breaker.  I find that VERY hand in the Fenix.  

I haven't flown the 737 since my P3D days many years ago. Yesterday I watched a 737  training video of setting up the MCDU ( whatever it's called on the 737), and realized what a snap it is on the Fenix, compared to the one on the 737. The Fenix EFB makes setting up a flight a piece of cake. 

 

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36 minutes ago, sidfadc said:

the major thing missing from the 737 is a performance calculator for take offs/landings 

Google VAS Airplane Toolbox (Free) 

I i dont even have issues with missing a perf calculator for the 737 anymore. I set up my profiles for each 737 variant and it works superbly.

5 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I haven't flown the 737 since my P3D days many years ago. Yesterday I watched a 737  training video of setting up the MCDU ( whatever it's called on the 737), and realized what a snap it is on the Fenix, compared to the one on the 737. The Fenix EFB makes setting up a flight a piece of cake. 

Not sure I agree but hey ho.

In the Fenix you import the flightplan, setup mass and balance and configure take off perfomance in the EFB.  You still have to go into the MCDU, initialise the flight, enter FPLN info, setup init B and enter V Speeds.

In the PMDG you import the flight plan directly in the FMC, enter ZFW and Fuel, enter FPLN info setup Perf Init and enter V Speeds.

Honestly if I timed myself doing it on both aircraft its pretty much the same.

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2 minutes ago, sidfadc said:

Not sure I agree but hey ho.

In the Fenix you import the flightplan, setup mass and balance and configure take off perfomance in the EFB.  You still have to go into the MCDU, initialise the flight, enter FPLN info, setup init B and enter V Speeds.

In the PMDG you import the flight plan directly in the FMC, enter ZFW and Fuel, enter FPLN info setup Perf Init and enter V Speeds.

Honestly if I timed myself doing it on both aircraft its pretty much the same.

Fenix Import Simbrief FP.. One button on the EFB Mass and Balance, one button in the EFB ( load) Flightplan is already in the MCDU, setup init is just copying weight and balance from EFB, V speeds are copied from EFB. Done.  5 minutes. 

Just now, Bobsk8 said:

Fenix Import Simbrief FP.. One button on the EFB Mass and Balance, one button in the EFB ( load) Flightplan is already in the MCDU, setup init is just copying weight and balance from EFB, V speeds are copied from EFB. Done.  5 minutes. 

Nope flight plan is not already in the MCDU after import, you have to enter sid and star to connect the dots - just like the PMDG.

Like I said, takes me about 5 mins in either aircraft EFB or no EFB.

1 minute ago, sidfadc said:

Nope flight plan is not already in the MCDU after import, you have to enter sid and star to connect the dots - just like the PMDG.

Like I said, takes me about 5 mins in either aircraft EFB or no EFB.

The FP is loaded into the MCDU when you load the flight in the EFB. If you don't have a sid and star, that's it. Done. If you watch the video I posted of a real 737 pilot setting it up, it seemed to take forever. 

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I have both AC .. Its the same time frame.. I think some people are having a wail about simbrief import but dont want to spare the 1 time expense of setting up the simbrief downloader. That's on them. 

Just now, Bobsk8 said:

The FP is loaded into the MCDU when you load the flight in the EFB. If you don't have a sid and star, that's it. Done. 

Last comment but its the same on PMDG - as Maxis says you need to setup the Simbrief downloader so it exports the flight plan in the correct folder which the FMC picks up automatically and imports flight plan.  I would argue Sid/Stars are pretty mandatory for airline flights unless your just messing about.

2 minutes ago, sidfadc said:

Last comment but its the same on PMDG - as Maxis says you need to setup the Simbrief downloader so it exports the flight plan in the correct folder which the FMC picks up automatically and imports flight plan.  I would argue Sid/Stars are pretty mandatory for airline flights unless your just messing about.

I am flying a VA flight right now KMYR to KHTS.  No Sid, No Star. 

Just now, Bobsk8 said:

I am flying a VA flight right now KMYR to KHTS.  No Sid, No Star. 

Definite last comment, I'm simply saying EFB or no EFB it takes me roughly same time setup a flight between the two aircraft and that's it.  We can argue all day long about semantics.

44 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I am flying a VA flight right now KMYR to KHTS.  No Sid, No Star. 

Also not a leg you'd likely see a bus doing in reality.  If you're going to / from large airline airports, then yes it'll be unusual not to have departure and arrival procedures.

It doesn't take any longer to program the FMC by hand on one aircraft vs the other, so of course it doesn't take any longer to use the uplink functions on one vs the other either.

And I still personally wish devs would prioritize other features over the cosmetic EFB that doesn't provide any info you can't already get elsewhere, but what can ya do...

1 hour ago, sidfadc said:

Last comment but its the same on PMDG - as Maxis says you need to setup the Simbrief downloader so it exports the flight plan in the correct folder which the FMC picks up automatically and imports flight plan.  I would argue Sid/Stars are pretty mandatory for airline flights unless your just messing about.

Real aircraft with the ability to import flightplans via datalink only get the enroute waypoints, not the SIDs and STARs. Those have to be manually input by the flight crew. One of the main reasons is that those procedures are often assigned by ATC.

31 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

Real aircraft with the ability to import flightplans via datalink only get the enroute waypoints, not the SIDs and STARs. Those have to be manually input by the flight crew. One of the main reasons is that those procedures are often assigned by ATC.

Not uniformly true.  My airline's uplink utility to our 737s does include SIDs and STARs.  Now, if you get a DCL via CPDLC that contains a route change, loading those changes will not include SID/STARs (and will possibly cause the existing one to drop).  So that has to be monitored carefully.  But yep, initial route uplink always includes any filled SIDs/STARs.