Huge kudos to Flying Iron Sims (especially GotGravel) for this one. Some highlights for those who don't want to watch the video.

• A forthcoming version of the FIS MkIX has been tuned to exactly mirror the performance of the RAF's Battle of Britain Memorial Flight MkIX tail no. MK356 . The RAF are using that version now
• G meter to be added (used by RAF for display co-ordination)
• The description includes a link so you can download an MSFS Replay recording of Sqn Ldr Mark "Disco" Discombe's display manouevre and emergency landing. Then you can play it from your choice of camera angle in MSFS 

 

 

Time I bought this beauty!

14 minutes ago, JabbleWok said:

Time I bought this beauty!

a solid product

I'll have to revisit the FI Spitfire Mark IX

Great video too !

But in soaring I have been advocating the use of MFS, more than any other simulator ( Condorsoaring is an exception but only for task training because the scenery for Portugal is not highly detailed ...), to train emmergencies and landing out scenarios.

In a recent preparation for flying at LPMU in the north-east of mainland Portugal, MFS proved invaluable because the scenery is so good / realistic that together with xCSoar I can actually use it to preview tasks or debrief flown ones 🙂

Edited April 7, 20233 yr by jcomm

That's a nice endorsement of MSFS by the RAF, if they use MSFS for training for emergencies.

Edited April 7, 20233 yr by abrams_tank

On 4/7/2023 at 5:54 PM, abrams_tank said:

That's a nice endorsement of MSFS by the RAF, if they use MSFS for training for emergencies.

They originally built this for PR purposes but the pilots wanted a go and that led it's new use for training which should start in a week or so. 

8 hours ago, Spit40 said:

They originally built this for PR purposes but the pilots wanted a go and that led it's new use for training which should start in a week or so. 

Nice. So the RAF are using MSFS for actual training. That's a very nice endorsement of MSFS by the RAF, if they are using it for actual training.

At the 4:30 mark in the video you can hear Disco say they’ll be putting fighter pilots through engine failure tests in this MSFS based trainer on Friday, which refers to next Friday 14th.

Edited April 9, 20233 yr by Spit40

Now before we go off wondering why the worlds airlines aren't using MSFS to train its pilots,  as I understand it, at least in the US and from others comments from around the globe, MSFS is not certified for real life pilot training ie it is not a certified simulator. Hence the ad infinitum game/simulator arguments!! I get the impression here that the RAF are not using MSFS to teach pilots how to fly the Spitfire or to certify them them to fly it. Instead, this is purely procedural training but with the replay capability of MSFS to add some good self critiquing.  I remember procedural training being done in a class room sitting at a desk with cardboard cutouts of the flight controls and gauges and touching things as required to follow the checklist in any given emergency. So, it's excellent that the RAF and Flying Iron are collaborating closely on this project which is procedural training on steroids!!  Engagement from the real life side of the house is no bad thing when it provides critical information and feedback and allows developers to improve the fidelity of their products. And it is an endorsement or at least a recognition from those in the Memorial Flight that this can only be a good thing for both sides of the house.

Per Ardua ad Astra.     

Terry

Edited April 10, 20233 yr by Lord Farringdon

1 hour ago, Lord Farringdon said:

Now before we go off wondering why the worlds airlines aren't using MSFS to train its pilots,  as I understand it, at least in the US and from others comments from around the globe, MSFS is not certified for real life pilot training ie it is not a certified simulator. Hence the ad infinitum game/simulator arguments!! I get the impression here that the RAF are not using MSFS to teach pilots how to fly the Spitfire or to certify them them to fly it. Instead, this is purely procedural training 

Out of curiosity, what exactly is a “certified simulator”, who certifies them and what sort of certification is issued?

 I was under the impression all simulators are for procedural training? I’ve never heard of anyone being taught to actually fly an aircraft in a simulator?

Another good use that can be given to a scenery-realistic sim like MFS, apart from procedural training, is for emergencies training, for instance in glider task planning.

I am using MFS, more than Condorsoaring, to prepare for RL glider tasks, specially when flying into zones new to me or that I seldom visit, because more than any other sim MFS gives me a very acceptable representation of potential "landables" should I have to look for one IRL...

GA pilots training for their x-country flights, or visiting airfields they have never flown into before, can also really benefit from MFS, again due to remarkable resemblance between MFS's scenery and the real life places and their features (with the exceptions of trees which I set at LOW in the Graphics Options because otherwise they're too dense 😕 )

Edited April 10, 20233 yr by jcomm

Sounds like some of you didn't actually watched the video and rushed to comment.....

2 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

Out of curiosity, what exactly is a “certified simulator”, who certifies them and what sort of certification is issued?

 I was under the impression all simulators are for procedural training? I’ve never heard of anyone being taught to actually fly an aircraft in a simulator?

In the US, simulators are certified by the FAA. The governing regulations are in 14 CFR Part 60.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-60

There are several levels of certification ranging from desktop procedural trainers to full motion Level D simulators.

One desktop simulator available to hobbyists (Aerowinx PSX) can be certified as a procedural trainer for real 747-400 crews. It is used by Atlas Air and Lufthansa and probably others.

Pilots certainly can be (and are) are “taught to fly” in simulators. When an airline or corporate pilot obtains a new FAA type rating for a particular aircraft, all of the training will be conducted in a full motion (Level D) certified simulator. With the type rating, the pilot is authorized to fly a specific make and model of aircraft (with passengers) and may do so for the first time never having flown “the real thing” before.

The BBMF are calling this a Flying Training Device (FTD) as “simulator” does indeed open it up to a lot more RAF scrutiny. And obviously it does lack plenty of things to be a proper and full physical simulator.

Edited April 10, 20233 yr by Spit40

3 hours ago, Krakin said:

Sounds like some of you didn't actually watched the video and rushed to comment.....

you thought that too 😆 ?