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Initial comparison 7800X3D on MSFS, XP12 and P3D

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On 4/16/2023 at 2:15 PM, GCBraun said:

Below is a screenshot showcasing over 100fps

doesn't show FG ON/OFF ?

Edited by turbomax

AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090,  Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, VR: Pimax Crystal Light + HP Reverb G2 @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler.

60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

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FG always on. 

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1 hour ago, GCBraun said:

FG always on. 

100 fps with FG on is something I had already before my 7800X3D wit no traffic tools, but to get useful comparisons we need to agree on a common test environment, like using a pre-recorded demo flight with FLT situation and PLN files attached, and identical settings in the OPTIONS menu, like @peloto has uploaded here recently on a 13900K, in 1K only though. we should run the same tests at 1K and 4K, with and without FG, with no intermittent view changes etc.

 

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AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090,  Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, VR: Pimax Crystal Light + HP Reverb G2 @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler.

60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

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3 hours ago, turbomax said:

100 fps with FG on is something I had already before my 7800X3D wit no traffic tools, but to get useful comparisons we need to agree on a common test environment, like using a pre-recorded demo flight with FLT situation and PLN files attached, and identical settings in the OPTIONS menu, like @peloto has uploaded here recently on a 13900K, in 1K only though. we should run the same tests at 1K and 4K, with and without FG, with no intermittent view changes etc.

 

Me too, but I don’t remember having over 100fps during an IFR approach into a payware airport with dozens of live traffic. 

Will check this benchmark and try to do it during the weekend. 

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1 hour ago, GCBraun said:

over 100fps during an IFR approach into a payware airport with dozens of live traffic. 

live can be tough.

welcome to the 7800X3D/4090 club. 😀

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AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090,  Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, VR: Pimax Crystal Light + HP Reverb G2 @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler.

60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

just experienced 90 fps in VR first time ever, I thought I was dreaming, unbelievably smooth, Ryzen 7800X3d + RTX 4090. 90 fps, fps counter must be broken. 😀

 

 

Edited by turbomax

AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090,  Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, VR: Pimax Crystal Light + HP Reverb G2 @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler.

60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

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So, after some time with the 7800X3D, I am now getting absolute bonkers performance in MSFS.

Here I am in the hand-crafted YSSY, with the WT787, Live Traffic and getting 165fps lined-up in the runway (as seen on the bottom left). 

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On cruise I am seeing 250fps+! And this is with no less than 5 screens (3 of them used for MSFS, gauges and FMC)...

Need limit that to 120 with the NVCP, as the built-in limiter does not seem to be working.

 

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PC1: AMD Ryzen 9800X3D | Zotac RTX 5090 SOLID | Asus TUF X670E-Plus | G.SKILL 64GB DDR5 PC 6000 CL30 | 4TB NVMe  | Noctua NH-D15 | Asus TUF 1000W Gold | be quiet! Pure Base 500DX | Noctua NH-D15S | LG OLED CX 48" + 2x  Acer Nitro XV240YP 24" + 2x 15.6" Touch-screen Panels

PC2: AMD Ryzen 7500F | Asrock 7900 GRE Challenger OC | Gigabyte B650I AX | Corsair 32GB DDR5 6000 CL36 | 1TB NVMe  | CM Hyper 212 | Corsair 750W Gold | Lian Li TU150 ITX | SAMSUNG Odyssey G9 49"

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You using Frame Generation?

Do me a favour for comparision - Could you load into a 3rd party airport like inibuilds KJFK or EGLL and if you've got it, load up FSLTL or AIG. I'm curious what sort of main thread time you'll see.

Cheers,

 

Kael Oswald

9950X3D/ 64GB DDR5 6200 @ CL30 / Custom Water Loop / RTX 5090 / 3 x 48" LG C4 OLEDs

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1 hour ago, KL Oo said:

You using Frame Generation?

Do me a favour for comparision - Could you load into a 3rd party airport like inibuilds KJFK or EGLL and if you've got it, load up FSLTL or AIG. I'm curious what sort of main thread time you'll see.

Cheers,

 

Yes, FG is on. 

Here is the situation on EGLL at 4K, everything on Ultra, DX12, FG but no DLSS and 128 live AI from FSTL (picture washed out due to HDR):

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43 FPS - Severely CPU limited, even with the 7800X3D

 

PSXT Info:

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CPU Info:

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GPU Info:

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So, AI Traffic absolutely hammers the CPU, especially in a heavy area and with 100+ live aircraft. As seen above, my GPU was sitting at 38% usage! Thank goodness for FG, otherwise I would have 20fps in such scenarios.

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PC2: AMD Ryzen 7500F | Asrock 7900 GRE Challenger OC | Gigabyte B650I AX | Corsair 32GB DDR5 6000 CL36 | 1TB NVMe  | CM Hyper 212 | Corsair 750W Gold | Lian Li TU150 ITX | SAMSUNG Odyssey G9 49"

Winctrl Ursa Minor Sidestick + Ursa Minor 32 Throttle & PAC - Thrustmaster Boeing TCA Yoke - Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog - Honeycomb Bravo Throttle - MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals - TrackIR - Stream Deck XL + Stream Deck Plus - Winctrl MCDU + 2 MFD's - Meta Quest 3 (VR)
 

Thanks for that mate, that's about what I see on my setup as well when I'm using single monitor. 

 

You're right, AI Traffic is a killer of the main thread....I wish there was something that could be done about that.

Only problem I have with FG is you can't use VSYNC with it. It used to work prior to AAU 1 but something broke after that and even via the NVCP it just produces horrible results for me....usually doubling my main thread timing for some reason. 

 

Kael Oswald

9950X3D/ 64GB DDR5 6200 @ CL30 / Custom Water Loop / RTX 5090 / 3 x 48" LG C4 OLEDs

27 minutes ago, KL Oo said:

You're right, AI Traffic is a killer of the main thread....I wish there was something that could be done about that.

There is. You can reduce the number of ground and in-air aircraft and you can also reduce the radius in which they appear. I set max IFR and VFR aircraft to 10 and the max radius to inject airborne and ground traffic to the minimum ie. 25 and 10kms respectively. This gives me a good taste test of AI aircraft without swamping my CPU at all.

9800X3D | 4090 | 64GB | 2+1TB NVME | 2TB SSD | 2TB HDD | 85/50/43” TVs | Quest 3 | DOF H3 Motion Rig | Buttkicker | T.16000M Flight Kit

MSFS @ 4K Ultra DLSS Performance FG 80 FPS |  VR VDXR Godlike 80Hz SSW | MSFS VR DLSS Quality, Ultra Preset - Windows 11

Acer Nitro 5 | i5-11400H | RTX 3060 6 GB | 32GB DDR4 | 15.6" FHD IPS 144Hz | 2 x 512 GB SSD | Windows 11

Trying to build a new pc for myself. Will decide between a 7600x and a 7800x3d. Is there a noticeable difference in 4K between the 2 ? The pictures on the first post are at 4K? Thx

On 6/28/2023 at 10:42 AM, jaguara5 said:

Trying to build a new pc for myself. Will decide between a 7600x and a 7800x3d. Is there a noticeable difference in 4K between the 2 ? The pictures on the first post are at 4K? Thx

If this is for MSFS, 7800X3D all the way.

I can't begin to explain how good Frame Generation + 7800X3D is in MSFS.  If you're using Xplane or P3D, then there are better options (13700K/13900K or your 7600X or 7700X etc.).

Rhett

7800X3D 96 GB G.Skill Flare  Gigabyte 4090  Crucial P5 Plus 2TB

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On 6/28/2023 at 5:42 PM, jaguara5 said:

Trying to build a new pc for myself. Will decide between a 7600x and a 7800x3d. Is there a noticeable difference in 4K between the 2 ? The pictures on the first post are at 4K? Thx

Yes, everything at 4K. As mentioned for MSFS, the X3D is generally the best option, but it all depends on the GPU you will be getting as well. 

Edited by GCBraun

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On 6/28/2023 at 2:20 AM, Reset XPDR said:

There is. You can reduce the number of ground and in-air aircraft and you can also reduce the radius in which they appear. I set max IFR and VFR aircraft to 10 and the max radius to inject airborne and ground traffic to the minimum ie. 25 and 10kms respectively. This gives me a good taste test of AI aircraft without swamping my CPU at all.

I believe this is not possible when using my traffic solution (PSXT + Real Traffic). 

PC1: AMD Ryzen 9800X3D | Zotac RTX 5090 SOLID | Asus TUF X670E-Plus | G.SKILL 64GB DDR5 PC 6000 CL30 | 4TB NVMe  | Noctua NH-D15 | Asus TUF 1000W Gold | be quiet! Pure Base 500DX | Noctua NH-D15S | LG OLED CX 48" + 2x  Acer Nitro XV240YP 24" + 2x 15.6" Touch-screen Panels

PC2: AMD Ryzen 7500F | Asrock 7900 GRE Challenger OC | Gigabyte B650I AX | Corsair 32GB DDR5 6000 CL36 | 1TB NVMe  | CM Hyper 212 | Corsair 750W Gold | Lian Li TU150 ITX | SAMSUNG Odyssey G9 49"

Winctrl Ursa Minor Sidestick + Ursa Minor 32 Throttle & PAC - Thrustmaster Boeing TCA Yoke - Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog - Honeycomb Bravo Throttle - MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals - TrackIR - Stream Deck XL + Stream Deck Plus - Winctrl MCDU + 2 MFD's - Meta Quest 3 (VR)
 

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