May 1, 20233 yr Author 5 hours ago, Matthew Kane said: That was one of the biggest things that stood out for me, anything that big, at that velocity, spinning around gets ripped to shreds, even at that altitude in the Stratosphere Yes, that occurred to me too. Clearly a very string structure.
May 1, 20233 yr 7 hours ago, martin-w said: Why? The only impact was dust. It made a bit of a sandstorm and deposited some dust. It's not toxic. I don't recall anybody being at risk from the bits of Fondag. Shouldn't happen next flight. Cause' it could be that neither the human nor any animal partners, are fans of the noise.... We are all connected..... To each other, biologically...... To the Earth, chemically...... To the rest of the Universe atomically. Devons rig Intel Core i5 13600K @ 5.1GHz / G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series Ram 64GB / GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 Ti GAMING OC 12G Graphics Card / Sound Blaster Z / Meta Quest 2 VR Headset / Klipsch® Promedia 2.1 Computer Speakers / ASUS ROG SWIFT PG279Q ‑ 27" IPS LED Monitor ‑ QHD / 1x Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB / 2x Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB / 1x Samsung - 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe / 1x Samsung 980 NVMe 1TB / 2 other regular hd's with up to 10 terabyte capacity / Windows 11 Pro 64-bit / Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX Motherboard LGA 1700 DDR5
May 1, 20233 yr 8 hours ago, martin-w said: Why? The only impact was dust. It made a bit of a sandstorm and deposited some dust. It's not toxic. I don't recall anybody being at risk from the bits of Fondag. Shouldn't happen next flight. Oh! Was it a silent launch? I would rather not be living with a rocket launch pad as a next door neighbor. Noel The tires are worn. The shocks are shot. The steering is wobbly. But the engine still runs fine.
May 1, 20233 yr Author 1 hour ago, birdguy said: Oh! Was it a silent launch? I would rather not be living with a rocket launch pad as a next door neighbor. Noel 😁 Its not every day. SpaceX gave the residents of Boca Chica three times the value of their homes, so there just a few there now, who seem to have a great time filming the launches. Some of them have millions of followers on social media so I recall. And hence profit nicely.
May 1, 20233 yr 41 minutes ago, martin-w said: SpaceX gave the residents of Boca Chica three times the value of their homes Yeah, money solves all problems doesn't it? How would you like to be uprooted from a house and community you loved and have lived in for 30 or more years at any price? I can tell you I am doing it now (at least for the house part) and I don't like it a single bit. Like many people you seem to think that throwing money at a problem or at people makes them happy. II can assure you it doesn't. And I have a hearty distaste for wealthy people who come into a community and start throwing money around to change everything and disrupt citizens who have been happily living there for years. Is that what you like about Musk? The ultimate businessman who can buy his way into anything? Noel The tires are worn. The shocks are shot. The steering is wobbly. But the engine still runs fine.
May 1, 20233 yr I suspect Musk's 6-8 week estimates will turn out to be a little optimistic after the FAA has their way, as many of his past timeline predictions have been. https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/05/elon-musk-provides-detailed-review-of-starships-first-launch-and-whats-next/ The damage to the pad and the debris thrown up could well turn into a bigger issue than Musk seems to think it is. There were already plenty of people not happy with a rocket launch site being built there, and now they have more ammunition to use against SpaceX. Burnt bird nests in a wildlife refuge aren't a good look. Perhaps waiting to have the steel plate installed will turn out to have been the more expedient chose, rather than rushing into launching. https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/05/environmental-groups-sue-the-faa-over-spacex-launch-from-texas/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/environmentalists-sue-faa-over-spacex-launch-license-texas-2023-05-01/ https://www.expressnews.com/business/article/coastal-nonprofit-s-survey-spacex-launch-site-17924836.php#photo-23731505 Edited May 1, 20233 yr by goates
May 1, 20233 yr In a wide-ranging talk on Saturday night, SpaceX founder Elon Musk reviewed the debut launch of the Starship rocket on April 20. The bottom line, he said, is that the vehicle's flight slightly exceeded his expectations and that damage to the launch site was not all that extensive. He expects Starship to fly again in as few as two or three months. When I test drove my brand new Ferrari the other day and skidded into a wall on the first turn it slightly exceeded my expectations. The damage to the wall was not that all extensive. I expect the Ferrari to be driveable again in as few as two or three months. These are examples of putting the best face on a disaster. Noel The tires are worn. The shocks are shot. The steering is wobbly. But the engine still runs fine.
May 2, 20233 yr Author 19 hours ago, birdguy said: Yeah, money solves all problems doesn't it? No! And I suspect you have learnt nothing about me. 19 hours ago, birdguy said: How would you like to be uprooted from a house and community you loved and have lived in for 30 or more years at any price? I had to do exactly that when I moved to Guernsey, and I was homesick for two years. But your comment isn't relevant. As I said, the residents were offered three times the market value for their houses, some took that offer and some stayed in their homes. Nobody was "uprooted" that didn't want to be. It wasn't some kind of compulsory purchase. 🙄 19 hours ago, birdguy said: Like many people you seem to think that throwing money at a problem or at people makes them happy. I would have thought, by now, you would know me better than that and credit me with more intelligence. 19 hours ago, birdguy said: And I have a hearty distaste for wealthy people who come into a community and start throwing money around to change everything and disrupt citizens who have been happily living there for years. "Is that what you like about Musk?" No! Why do you think I do? Have you learnt nothing about me, both in the forum, and our regular PM conversations? I find your suggestion quite insulting. In fact, I don't believe SpaceX should have ever built the facility there in the first place, as its surrounded by nature reserves and a nearby town. And it will be a good thing when the pad at the cape is finished and flights transition to there. However... the money Musk "is throwing around" as you put it, doesn't have to be taken by the residents, any of them could have stayed where they were, as some did. If it were me, and I loved my home desperately and couldn't bear leaving, I would stay. On the other hand, if instead of a $400k house I suddenly found myself, courtesy of the SpaceX offer, with the dosh for a $1.2 million mansion, then I'd jump at it. It would be crazy not to given the additional financial security. Edited May 2, 20233 yr by martin-w
May 2, 20233 yr 3 minutes ago, martin-w said: It wasn't some kind of compulsory purchase Sometimes the dollar (or pound) amount almost makes it compulsory. Noel The tires are worn. The shocks are shot. The steering is wobbly. But the engine still runs fine.
May 2, 20233 yr Author 17 hours ago, goates said: I suspect Musk's 6-8 week estimates will turn out to be a little optimistic after the FAA has their way, as many of his past timeline predictions have been. He said 6 - 8 weeks for the pad and rocket to be ready, specifically, not the next launch, just when it would be ready for launch. The FAA are the variable. Musk also said that the thing that might slow them down is redesigning the flight termination system. 17 hours ago, goates said: Perhaps waiting to have the steel plate installed will turn out to have been the more expedient chose, rather than rushing into launching. Well yes, we can say that in hindsight. I don't think it was a case of rushing, rather, a case of miscalculating what the Fondag could handle.
May 2, 20233 yr 5 minutes ago, martin-w said: It would be crazy not to given the additional financial security. Like I said, money isn't everything. Noel The tires are worn. The shocks are shot. The steering is wobbly. But the engine still runs fine.
May 2, 20233 yr I might add, Martin, there were residents who were given no choicde. The birds and wildlife of the wildlife refuge that became littered with debris and nests and bird eggs that were scorched by the flames. I guess is your and Musk's mind those don't count. Everything is worth sacrificing for space! I fervently hope the FAA bans them from launching those huge rockets there anymore. It'sd irresponsible to build launching pads so close to human and wildlife habitat. Noel The tires are worn. The shocks are shot. The steering is wobbly. But the engine still runs fine.
May 2, 20233 yr I am not sure what the significance of the nature reserve is in this debate. Cape Canaveral is surrounded by the Merritt Island National Wildlife Refuge. Christopher Low AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme UK2000 Beta Tester
May 2, 20233 yr 44 minutes ago, Christopher Low said: I am not sure what the significance of the nature reserve is in this debate. Cape Canaveral is surrounded by the Merritt Island National Wildlife Refuge. Have any Cape Canaveral launches endangered wildlife or scattered debris over wildlife habitat or scorched the refuge habitat destroying bird eggs? I doubt Musk is as responsible as NASA is in protecting wildlife and habitat in the refuge. Is Musk going to take responsibility in cleaning up the debris the launch scattered over the wildlife habitat? Noel Edited May 2, 20233 yr by birdguy The tires are worn. The shocks are shot. The steering is wobbly. But the engine still runs fine.
May 2, 20233 yr Author 2 hours ago, birdguy said: Like I said, money isn't everything. Noel You didn't read what I typed... 🙄 2 hours ago, martin-w said: If it were me, and I loved my home desperately and couldn't bear leaving, I would stay. On the other hand, if instead of a $400k house I suddenly found myself, courtesy of the SpaceX offer, with the dosh for a $1.2 million mansion, then I'd jump at it. It would be crazy not to given the additional financial security. Of course money isn't everything. Hence, why I said that if I loved the home and couldn't bear leaving I would stay. If you CAN bear leaving, and aren't desperate to stay, then clearly 3X the asking price is a good deal and for your long term security well worth taking. Money isn't everything but if its translated into a gorgeous home worth three times the value that you will love even more than the home you left, then its obviously worth it. 2 hours ago, birdguy said: Sometimes the dollar (or pound) amount almost makes it compulsory. Noel No it doesn't. There's a choice. Edited May 2, 20233 yr by martin-w
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