9 hours ago, charliearon said:

Take note at the end of the trailer, the way in which the ship lands.  It's using the Starship belly flop and then landing like the Starship.

I saw the belly flop, the landing was not present.

53 minutes ago, n4gix said:

saw the belly flop, the landing was not present.

I assumed the landing configuration would be the same as the takeoff at 0:41, since there didn't seem to be any stage separation. 

Edited April 26, 20233 yr by dmwalker

18 hours ago, charliearon said:

I highly recommend this Netflix 10 episode series "Away" starring Hilary Swank.  It's about the first Mars mission.  Take note at the end of the trailer, the way in which the ship lands.  It's using the Starship belly flop and then landing like the Starship.

 

Great series, I really enjoyed it.

Re the belly flop, the shuttle did the same. Logical for any lengthy vehicle entering the atmosphere. Drag is your friend. Even a capsule presents the widest side with the most surface area to the airstream. 

SpaceX Starship launch under FAA investigation after raining potentially hazardous debris on homes and beaches

Oh, and a cool video.

 

Media at it again...  🙄

The FAA would have suspended launches and investigated anyhow, whether "debris was rained down" or not. Anything short of the complete flight profile, total success, would have been regarded as a "mishap". If there had been no debris flown around and the pad in pristine condition but the rocket self destructed midflight, there would have been an FAA investigation. SpaceX of course warned that there was little chance of a full flight profile, thus, the FAA investigation was expected and inevitable. 

42 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

Oh, and a cool video.

 

The sound in that video was what struck me, awe-inspiring and a bit scary. 

The crackle and pop made me think of 'backfiring'... 😄

42 minutes ago, n4gix said:

The crackle and pop made me think of 'backfiring'... 😄

 

😆 One hell of a backfire.

I'm still of the opinion that the Dynetics Alpaca lander is appropriate for the first Moon landing. Trouble was, Nasa went for the cheaper SpaceX option. The option is still there for Nasa, they have Alpaca as an alternative. If Starship delays the Artemis manned orbit of the Moon (next launch) I can see them going that way. Then, when Starship is ready, it can deliver 150 tons of cargo and personel to the Moon and be an awesome asset and the future of manned space flight

 

 

Edited April 27, 20233 yr by martin-w

9 hours ago, martin-w said:

 

The sound in that video was what struck me, awe-inspiring and a bit scary. 

 In person it's not just the sound, but the vibrations you feel as well. Several years ago I got to watch a Delta IV launch at Cape Canaveral, and was not expecting the vibration feeling in my chest. Starship and SLS must have been even more impressive.

The video below is cool to listen to with a good set of headphones or speakers.

 

I do not remember how much vibration I felt when I watched the launch of STS-73 Columbia from the KSC Complex in October 1995, but the sound was cool  As far as vibrations go, Concorde performing a touch and go at the 1978 Farnborough Air Show is top of my own personal list.

That is why I always wanted to witness a large rocket (or shuttle) launch, you need to be there to really get a feel for it

Elon update about launch.

The launch slightly exceeded his expectations.

He regards the pad damage as "small" and can be repaired quite quickly. He's still saying, from the pad and rocket standpoint, 6 to 8 weeks for repair.

The vehicles structural margins seem better than expected. As evidenced by doing somersaults and still staying intact.

The termination system was insufficient and needs improving.

3 of the engines were indicating that the couldn't provide full thrust so they chose not to start them. 

For this flight they were babying the engines, but next flight will be a faster launch. For the next flight booster 9 will be used which has much newer and more reliable engines. The heat/force shields are better on the newer engines.

The lean as it launched was as a result of 3 engines not started. Next launch they will start the engines faster and get away from the pad rather than blow torching the pad for 5 seconds. 

 

 

Edited April 30, 20233 yr by martin-w

I'm glad I don't live in Boca Chica!

Noel

9 hours ago, birdguy said:

I'm glad I don't live in Boca Chica!

Noel

 

Why? The only impact was dust. It made a bit of a sandstorm and deposited some dust. It's not toxic. I don't recall anybody being at risk from the bits of Fondag. Shouldn't happen next flight.

12 hours ago, martin-w said:

The vehicles structural margins seem better than expected. As evidenced by doing somersaults and still staying intact.

That was one of the biggest things that stood out for me, anything that big, at that velocity, spinning around gets ripped to shreds, even at that altitude in the Stratosphere

Edited May 1, 20233 yr by Matthew Kane