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Ok, help!I have UTX with Xgraphics and Active Sky. I am wondering what to do about FEX. I know that I will need to disable some textures in Xgraphics, perhaps the clouds. I might be overcomplicating this, but it just seems like I might already have my bases covered, and this would be a redundant purchase for me (no offense intended). It looks great, and very tempting I must say. So is anyone else out there in my camp, did you take the plunge?its just water sky and clouds right??thanks for any advice you can offer...Danon - -

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UTX makes changes to a different set of textures and can be used normally. UTX installs its own set of road and rail textures in its coverage area and will not be effected by either of these programs. ASX doesn't care which textures you use as it generates the weather. XGraphics will change many of the same textures found in FEX. They can be used side by side as long as you understand what's happening in the sim.FSX, like its predecessor, will display the last set of textures submitted when you start the sim. If you go to the options page for either product, XGraphics or FEX, there is an area where you can tell the program not to load certain texture files.What you want is the best of both. Choose the airport, road and rail textures from XGraphics and the cloud, water and sky textures from FEX. Or any variation of that plan. Maybe you like XGraphics clouds better, so uncheck the clouds option in FEX.Both programs can live happily together and will only cause problems for you if you don't understand the way these programs work.Regards,Jim Karn

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thanks for taking your time and making things clear for me..That is kinda what I had in my head, but now I do understand it. Now the debate begins..to purchase or wait....thanks againD -

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That's a tough decision only you can make. But as a new user of FEX, I can't believe what it's done for FSX. The textures jump right out at you and look very realistic. Screen shots have a hard time portraying the difference. The best part of it is there is no frame rate penalty whatsoever.I think they've raised the bar in the add-on texture business. Peter and Chris at FEX have really made an impact on texture manipulation.Also, Flight1 has that 30-day, money back guarantee so you can try it to see for yourself. You just can't go wrong with this product.Regards,Jim Karn

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I dunno. I have ASX+X Graphics and I am happy with it. The screenshots from the FEX website and the HifiSim site look almost identical to me when it comes to cloud and sky textures.It almost seems to me a little bit of a placebo affect that FEX looks "better", although that is only my impression and probably not valid without having seen FEX running on my machine.Personally, I don't feel the need to spend more money on cloud textures, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't recommend trying FEX. For me it's just an economical decision. If there was a discount for ASX users to get them to try FEX, I would probably be in for about $20, but I already paid $70 something buck for ASX+X Graphics and I really don't want to spend $120, which is 4x the value of FSX itself, just on some textures.Pat

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I have similar feeling about the Xgraphics FEX comparison. Especially at that price point, I don't feel the need to buy every new iteration of the same concept unless there is a significant and obvious improvement. I am still quite impressed with the look of ASX and Xgraphics, and the fact they are linked together is a plus.As I understand there are plans for a weather component to FEX, and in the future simmers may have a choice when shopping for the perfect weather and graphics solution.Ron

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Ok, for the price of 30 minutes in the 172 down the road, I took the plunge.Speechless I guess comes to mind. I can only hope I have this set correctly. I disabled clouds, sky, and water in xgraphics - and installed FEX with its set of cloud, sky, and water textures. I am running ASX alongside so it can depict weather accurately, using the said FEX textures. Also have UTX installed to handle all the other road, landclass, and waterclass categories. I really cannot sum it up, the clouds are real, the water is real. The sky is, well....real. Not that Xgraphics was not doing a good job, its just that FEX focused on those three while xgraphics does more, so I will use these textures, but still xgraphics for road and rail, and airport - which is a MUST in my opinion. I would run default FSX online weather, but I am a believer that active sky is better at this, and because it only calls on textures, it will be calling on my FEX textures now....I would post screens but its a waste of time, as said above, they can only do so much, you simply have to go for a flight with real weather, somewhere it is not clear out, then you will see what I am typing about.and, NO fps hit at all!40 bucks well spent,my 2 centsD - -

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Sorry Guys,But I have X Graphics and I purchased FEX. There is no comparison in my mind. FEX is a major improvement.The clouds alone are much more relistic looking.Glenn

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D,Thanks for the explanation.Please clarify this :I have ASX and xgraphics.I disable clouds,sky.and water in Xgraphics and use FEX for these.If I run ASX and click install Xgraphics textures I obviously won't get clouds,sky,water textures from Xgraphics to coincide with the weather,so will my clouds etc fom FEX be right for the current weather generated by ASX?I hope my question is clear.Thanks,Ron

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I don't want to start a turf war or disrespect Jim (whom I believe has the respect of the entire community, including myself)), but from a purely graphics point of view, does FEX look better than ASX?

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Jim,Thanks for the clarification.I like the fact that I can use ASX and Xgraphics and get what should be the actual weather.But if I were to use FEX I would have to load conditions to simulate the weather and clouds etc that asx does for me?Thanks,Ron

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Ok, well that kinda is no fun if true.I really love X Graphics, active sky, and FEX. But I would rather run the clouds from FEX. So ASX will not talk to FEX?? Is that what I am reading, is this true??thanks for any help...d - -

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Hi Ron,Correct, right now this is the case however working hard to get the FEX weather engine component done which will make these selections for you. It uses the technology inside FEX to dynamically alter the textures themselves, either it can select from user chosen themes and then make adjustments to those or it can generate whole new themes specifically for the weather conditions being experienced.This will be ready soon!Warm regards,Chris Norris

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This is both true and not true. You can certainly use ASX to show the FEX clouds :-) however ASX has a weather influenced textures feature which will only install XGraphics clouds.To run as you suggest, you can launch ASX.. download the weather assess the conditions and then fire up FEX to select which textures you want to install. Then can close FEX after installation and launch FSX. From our part this will change when the FEX weather component is implemented soon.HTH,Chris Norris

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Thanks for the explanation and clarification. I love these forums.Ron

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>Hi Ron,>>No, you will not get the Weather Influenced flavor clouds. You>can however, manually choose the FEX clouds ect.>>Jim>>http://www.hifisim.com/banners/hifi-community-sigbanner.jpg>http://www.hifisim.com/Jim,The "test in FSX" button is not high lighted. The manual describes that as the path to adjusting cloud resolution. I'm getting unacceptable stuttering with heavy clouds and want to try a smaller resolution. How do I get to the cloud resolution menu? I am using the downloaded patch 2.10.Bob..

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I have to ask the same question. as much as I am liking the clouds, if it cannot match up with ASX, it might have to be a return purchase for me. I really do not want to have to select cloud sets before I fly. I like the fact that the weather is dynamic, and should change on its own.what to do....will the weather engine upgrade be free for purchasers of FEX??thanks for the info..d - -

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We fully appreciate the value in automatically selecting themes dynamically according to weather, it was in the plan from the beginning. Basically to explain where we are at now and where we will be at is the following:FEX currently does not have a weather component, however in buying FEX you have already paid for it. The price is inclusive of the weather component.The weather component has the following philosophy: performance and massive control on a per-pixel level of all FEX textures.We have many many variables in making all the textures featured in FEX, the whole concept behind this was for the simple reason that these variables can be used to produce both subtle and dramatic changes to the end texture. As all textures are built dynamically in FEX, there are no 'fixed' textures in FEX.The best example I can give of this is if you go to the cloud designer screen in FEX, all the sliders influence the end texture in some way. The weather engine will do exactly the same thing dynamically.. without any need to move sliders around. For example, if the weather is fair with occasional small clouds then the weather engine will randomly generate a cloud texture leaning more towards the wispy side with a lower opacity to make the end result much more natural looking in that situation.Similiarly, in a thunderstorm situation it can make very puffy hard edge clouds with dark bottoms and lots of grey in the cloud.We can also adjust lighting, sky and water in the same way. In windy conditions the waves will be more pronounced etc.The aim here is realism, beyond anything so far done to date.The weather component will function the same as other weather engines in the key task of submitting weather to FSX and interpolation between geographical points to make the rendition of weather more accurate away from weather stations.This will be fully integrated into the GUI of FEX for configuration, however once it is launched. FEX itself is closed down with a small background process which does the weather processing and feeds that to FSX. This is so we can minimize the memory and cpu footprint whilst it is running.Truly we wanted to ship FEX with this major part of it implemented, however we have spent incredible amounts of fulltime work on this project and it became apparent that we had a choice. Either delay the graphical part of FEX until the weather part was implemented, or let people start using the graphical part whilst continuing to finish the weather component.Also, now I say this just to be entirely honest here.. we are two guys working for past 8 months self-funding this project. Supported by a fantastic team of individuals who have given up their time to offer advice and assistance, from all talents and backgrounds. The sad fact is we both have stark financial realities, in an ideal world we could have delayed without financial hardship.Anyway I hope that paints a clearer picture of what the weather component will do. :-)Warm regards,Chris Norris

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Hi Bob,Ah the manual may need some adjustment on that point. All resolutions can be set in the Options screen, if you click the menu entry towards the left hand side for Resolutions and Compressions.The Test in FSX button is only enabled after you have either loaded an existing theme into the designer or saved a new theme. It also contains resolution and compression options, but these are over-rides of your general settings to be used just for that particular test.Hope that helps,Chris Norris

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>Ok, help!>>I have UTX with Xgraphics and Active Sky. I am wondering what>to do about FEX. I know that I will need to disable some>textures in Xgraphics, perhaps the clouds. I installed FEX, and quit frankly do like the FE clouds better than X Graphics (sorry Jim ;) )But....I have found (thus far) that I am only using FE clouds and wave animations, but using all the other textures in X Graphics, including sky color, water color, etc, as I can still allow ASX select these textures/colors based on the 'weather influenced' option.That is still quite important, to me.In addition, X Graphics will also choose runway lights, moon color, sun effects, and 'others' (which FE does not have), based on weather influenced data via ASX.I'm kinda thinking I am getting the 'best of the best' with these two programs, and find each can stand on their own, and the whole experiance is even better when both are working together.IMO, both these products have value, and I don't feel it is an 'either/or' decision.

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Hi All,It's OK that some like one set of textures over another! Heck, some like FE stuff over ASG stuff in FS9!! Major releases are going to continue to drive the market upward and onward. There is no battle or war here .... just companies trying to do their best, and it is a win-win case for everyone!!Thanks,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/banners/hifi-community-sigbanner.jpghttp://www.hifisim.com/

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Exactly Jim.'Bravo' to both FE and Hi-Fi 'teams' for providing us with excellent options, which can work together, and not in conflict.The FSX experiance is better for having both....and its only going to get better.

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more than I could have asked for in a reply. Thank you for all the info, your program has found its permanent place on my HD. Both companies are a class act for sure, it is a pleasure to do business with you.thanks and I will be looking forward to the weather engine.Danon -

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