10 minutes ago, Nixoq said:

I'm not talking about legal repercussions to criticism. I'm no legal expert but I'd assume paying people to spread misinformation about one's product and disparage competitor's products is somewhere in the not-so-legal zone or at least on the edge.

That's a serious accusation that's come up a few times based on nothing other than personal discontent with the company and/or disagreement with the affiliated individual's views and that's not just "a customer expressing dissatisfaction" like you're trying to mask it as, nor is it in any shape or form obvious. I personally find that distasteful and even sad that this is where we're at now. It's still just a flight sim dev and people don't have to like them but should probably ease up a bit.

I won't agree if PMDG is paying the youtuber to do X, there's no basis for that imo.

However, they've been shown countless times to be partial when it comes to doing their comparison videos (using statements like, "This is the truest EFB", "This is the Best LNAV", "This is why this is bad", and other various other grabby titles) refusing to demonstrate the fallacies of other aircraft, refusing to acknowledge said flaws of their videos in the comments and highlighting their own opinions to drown out any kind of rationale comments that point this out. It's not even specific to PMDG, they've down this with Fenix. All while titling with egregious clickbait and that they're a real pilot but failing to showcase any ability to make practical or rational comparisons to anything. The only videos of substance are the tutorial videos, specifically the 737 ones.

6 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

I won't agree if PMDG is paying the youtuber to do X, there's no basis for that imo.

However, they've been shown countless times to be partial when it comes to doing their comparison videos (using statements like, "This is the truest EFB", "This is the Best LNAV", "This is why this is bad", and other various other grabby titles) refusing to demonstrate the fallacies of other aircraft, refusing to acknowledge said flaws of their videos in the comments and highlighting their own opinions to drown out any kind of rationale comments that point this out. It's not even specific to PMDG, they've down this with Fenix. All while titling with egregious clickbait and that they're a real pilot but failing to showcase any ability to make practical or rational comparisons to anything. The only videos of substance are the tutorial videos, specifically the 737 ones.

Sorry but i have the exact opposite viewpoint and think that youtuber has been very upfront and objective in his analysis of other products that he uses if it is the same youtuber we are speaking about .. (strange that you haven't specifically identified whom your talking about though)... That's a lot of allegations youre throwing around. One would hope you have posted in the comments and allowed that person to respond.

 

 

15 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

I won't agree if PMDG is paying the youtuber to do X, there's no basis for that imo.

However, they've been shown countless times to be partial when it comes to doing their comparison videos (using statements like, "This is the truest EFB", "This is the Best LNAV", "This is why this is bad", and other various other grabby titles) refusing to demonstrate the fallacies of other aircraft, refusing to acknowledge said flaws of their videos in the comments and highlighting their own opinions to drown out any kind of rationale comments that point this out. It's not even specific to PMDG, they've down this with Fenix. All while titling with egregious clickbait and that they're a real pilot but failing to showcase any ability to make practical or rational comparisons to anything. The only videos of substance are the tutorial videos, specifically the 737 ones.

So what? By all means, people are free to have whatever opinion about the channel or his views; that's not my point. While I'm not here to defend the developer, I've chimed in to say that while I personally do find much of the reaction to anything PMDG to be out of proportion, it's not okay to just go and make that sort of accusation*. That's just taking things way too far.

*Edit: Especially when none of the parties referenced are even here to have a say on it.

Edited June 7, 20232 yr by Nixoq

8 hours ago, Lucky38i said:

Database? I don't think you're not really fully understanding how this all works.

Gosh this is why this hobby is so toxic.  Use the wrong terminology in an offhand forum post and all of a sudden you dont know what your talking about according to "internet people".  I have a masters in Engineering.  I worked as an engineer at  Boeing for 8 years on the 787 in production, including being an airline facing systems engineer for many of those years.  Happy to send you my LinkedIn profile as proof.  Sure database wasn't the right word, but anyone remotely honest will understand what I meant.  Prosim is more than just a "ECAM simulator" and anyone who portrays it as that (especially a "Flybywire developer") obviously isn't being honest.

What you don't say is to properly be an "ECAM Simulator" you actually have to monitor all systems (and model those systems accurately) per Airbus logic and how pilot interactions affect those systems.  AKA model an Airbus......  That's the whole point the "ECAM Simulator" is modeling Airbus systems logic to a very specific degree.  Not working with Prosim would have added years to development (if they could have even completed it at all).

To prove the point Fenix couldn't even get the engine fuel model to be within a margin of error of book values as of today......   V2 is taking much longer than expected.... What confidence do we have that they even have the ability to deliver? 

BTW I no longer work at Boeing (I quit to start my own company), and dont have a preference between Airbus and Boeing if you think this is somehow affecting my analysis here.  I have criticisms for both companies and their design process/methods.

4 minutes ago, nrunning24 said:

V2 is taking much longer than expected.... What confidence do we have that they even have the ability to deliver?

I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but just to be fair here, it was pointed out by Fenix that the developer working on the engine models is in Ukraine and, given the current 'situation', isn't able to work at normal speed.

4 minutes ago, Nixoq said:

I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but just to be fair here, it was pointed out by Fenix that the developer working on the engine models is in Ukraine and, given the current 'situation', isn't able to work at normal speed.

Completely fair, I think my point was the engine models weren't correct on release to begin with, whos to say those can actually be done correctly by the team in V2.  Obviously very tough times to be a Ukrainian developer and I truly wish him/her the best.

1 hour ago, Nixoq said:

I'm not talking about legal repercussions to criticism. I'm no legal expert but I'd assume paying people to spread misinformation about one's product and disparage competitor's products is somewhere in the not-so-legal zone or at least on the edge.

That's a serious accusation that's come up a few times based on nothing other than personal discontent with the company and/or disagreement with the affiliated individual's views and that's not just "a customer expressing dissatisfaction" like you're trying to mask it as, nor is it in any shape or form obvious. I personally find that distasteful and even sad that this is where we're at now. It's still just a flight sim dev and people don't have to like them but should probably ease up a bit.

But please make no mistake, I did not say that the particular Youtuber is paid. I mentioned, "One might question whether he is being paid to conceal the bugs associated with the PMDG brand". I just find it odd that he constantly makes statements about how good it is (and in certain aspects it is true, undeniable), while the obvious bugs are completely not mentioned. 

Regarding being a distasteful and sad situation, I fully agree.  

But we should keep in mind that if he believes is appropriate to fight with the customer about valid bugs, delete messages, and block people from pointing out these issues, RSR should expect this kind of dissatisfaction. He sees all these findings as personal attacks versus that the customer wants to see improvements. He is the one setting this undesirable reaction. 

Why he is not directing certain people part of the beta team to stand down and just do their role versus fighting? His song is being sung by them. I completely understand your viewpoint that individuals do not necessarily have to like him. However, I strongly believe that when he resorts to mudslinging, it rarely leads to a positive outcome.

Why RSR is not taking a break and fixing the actual bugs that affect his products is beyond understanding. IMHO there is no good excuse to develop and sell a product with so many bugs (as he has consistently carried out all of these actions in both the past and present) and to keep on going like this.

3 hours ago, LRBS said:

I fully understand and respect opinions. 

I am having difficulty comprehending the concept of "legal implications". By being on the World Wide Web, they exposed themselves to criticism. How is it that if a customer is expressing dissatisfaction by pointing out issues/problems that unfortunately are true, are twisted as "accusations"?

I think that is not appropriate to vehiculate the idea of any implications more so legal ones when people call the obvious. It must be emphasized that our country is one of freedom where individuals have the right to express their opinions without the threat of legal repercussions (unless the is a personal threat), regardless of personal beliefs.

Funny enough the same person loves detailing the law when he must be the only streamer that he says by law that they need to state they are a member of the PMDG tech team. I'm not aware any other streamers or even real world pilots mention they are a member of say the Fenix tech team or the Aerosoft tech team.... Ever heard of freedom of speech they would have better things to do than go down a legal route for a discussion we can legally have just saying....

3 hours ago, jarmstro said:

I very much enjoy the Fenix. But it's basically the ProSim core with a pretty shell around it. Easy peasy and none the worse for that. But given the time it's taking them to release a V2 I'm left wondering if they possess the necessary skil and knowledge?

Well has stated they are a small team compared to PMDG or Aerosoft they employed more people to get jobs done quicker etc you would find this in the Discord.....

2 hours ago, Nixoq said:

I'm not talking about legal repercussions to criticism. I'm no legal expert but I'd assume paying people to spread misinformation about one's product and disparage competitor's products is somewhere in the not-so-legal zone or at least on the edge.

That's a serious accusation that's come up a few times based on nothing other than personal discontent with the company and/or disagreement with the affiliated individual's views and that's not just "a customer expressing dissatisfaction" like you're trying to mask it as, nor is it in any shape or form obvious. I personally find that distasteful and even sad that this is where we're at now. It's still just a flight sim dev and people don't have to like them but should probably ease up a bit.

Anything can happen. All you have too see from the comments on the videos of said person people are really starting to get annoyed with the individual because of the behaviour they have to the product. Like one said is it because they are beta testers for quite a few products but because they are not for the 175 does he have a vendetta. People bringing up CaptainSim to said person he deflects from that. FSS promised two week updates and so far from what I have seen they have kept with that. Credibility of being a pilot on a Boeing soon to be Airbus but likes to think that the 175 should fly the same way, definitely not open to criticism when told how to actually fly it since the majority of things are apparently "bugs" even simmers are saying they are having no trouble with the ILS it really does make you wonder at times...

1 hour ago, Maxis said:

Sorry but i have the exact opposite viewpoint and think that youtuber has been very upfront and objective in his analysis of other products that he uses if it is the same youtuber we are speaking about .. (strange that you haven't specifically identified whom your talking about though)...

I didn’t identify as the origin of this topic didn’t to be honest, I just kept with it.

1 hour ago, Maxis said:

That's a lot of allegations youre throwing around. One would hope you have posted in the comments and allowed that person to respond.

These are from my own experiences. However it’s entirely fair to have an opposite perception of them. Just my 2p

1 hour ago, Maxis said:

Sorry but i have the exact opposite viewpoint and think that youtuber has been very upfront and objective in his analysis of other products that he uses if it is the same youtuber we are speaking about .. (strange that you haven't specifically identified whom your talking about though)... That's a lot of allegations youre throwing around. One would hope you have posted in the comments and allowed that person to respond.

 

 

Funny enough I did comment on said videos and so did others when they said he needs to be careful with the amount of bashing of the product he does especially since he likes to mention legal findings. The amount of slandering he does can get him into quite a bit of trouble for defamation. I repeat what I said before imagine having a totally different perception of early access and still has to be corrected on it not only from PMDG but other people..... 

6 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

Funny enough I did comment on said videos and so did others when they said he needs to be careful with the amount of bashing of the product he does especially since he likes to mention legal findings. The amount of slandering he does can get him into quite a bit of trouble for defamation. I repeat what I said before imagine having a totally different perception of early access and still has to be corrected on it not only from PMDG but other people..... 

So you couldn't have left it there ?? Because frankly all you are doing is stirring word not allowed up over a thread that was supposed to be about a PMDG update ... 

I didn't ask you if you commented. I asked the person who i replied to.

Edited June 7, 20232 yr by Maxis

1 hour ago, nrunning24 said:

To prove the point Fenix couldn't even get the engine fuel model to be within a margin of error of book values as of today......   V2 is taking much longer than expected.... What confidence do we have that they even have the ability to deliver? 

To point out Fenix never make deadlines or release dates. So longer than expected is rubbish. To say its been long maybe to you and others but when they are up front about what is happening E.G ripping up old code and inputting all new code says a lot In my opinion. I rather a product takes x amount of time and then comes out the best it can be at the time than improved even more. 

The majority of people myself included are happy to pay extra for this but releasing V2, IAE, Sharklets for free says a lot really.

7 minutes ago, Maxis said:

So you couldn't have left it there ?? Because frankly all you are doing is stirring word not allowed up over a thread that was supposed to be about a PMDG update ...

I did leave it their no point posting anymore on his Youtube when you get someone who thinks they know best. Yes but has usual the threads go to other topics. Funny my first comment was replying to someone else and at first when people started to mention the 40% issue the devs including said person said nothing is wrong and that its correct. It obviously wasn't when more and more started to complain.

Just to say not stirring anything but truth. 

Edited June 7, 20232 yr by carlanthony24