XPlane 12.07 RC1 is on the street (only available through the beta channel).  It's actually a hotfix for 12.06, so what was described in the roadmap as 12.07 is now 12.08, 12.08 is now 12.09 etc.  So don't get *too* excited...

See https://developer.x-plane.com/2023/09/x-plane-12-07-arrsea-1-has-arrived/  for more details

I see networking has been pushed back yet again. Tired of waiting, this is something that should of been fixed in 11... time to move on!

Edited September 22, 20232 yr by Mike_CFII_MEL

2 hours ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

I see networking has been pushed back yet again. Tired of waiting, this is something that should of been fixed in 11... time to move on!

It's almost as if you've been waiting until they finally hire a networking person and then announce that networking changes are finally arriving, to announce this.

7 hours ago, blingthinger said:

It's almost as if you've been waiting until they finally hire a networking person and then announce that networking changes are finally arriving, to announce this.

Been waiting "Y E A R S" for networking fixes! Fixes that should of been correct in XP11. Keep ignoring us and you lose four to six customers per flight deck flyer! I now know of three that are making the jump because they are also tired of waiting. That's 16 customers that are now gone. Won't see the revenue loss in 12, but they won't see any going forward. Keep losing cash and you won't be able to hire people, then development suffers.

Edited September 23, 20232 yr by Mike_CFII_MEL

10 hours ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

I see networking has been pushed back yet again. Tired of waiting, this is something that should of been fixed in 11... time to move on!

Well the first Vulkan Beta was 5 years in the making, so yes things take time for these Dev's.

3 hours ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Fixes that should of been correct in XP11

I think they lost their last network person back in 11 and I'm sure that's the most difficult skill set for them to hire for. Also, your market segment is smaller than even the Linux user base and Ben recently went so far as to call that one a "labor of love" for LR. You're better off elsewhere. Well... not necessarily, but for someone who seemingly waits until LR announces a precise date for network-related improvements (which may not even satiate you in particular), to declare they're going to go elsewhere...yeah, probably better off elsewhere. 

7 hours ago, blingthinger said:

I think they lost their last network person back in 11 and I'm sure that's the most difficult skill set for them to hire for. Also, your market segment is smaller than even the Linux user base and Ben recently went so far as to call that one a "labor of love" for LR. You're better off elsewhere. Well... not necessarily, but for someone who seemingly waits until LR announces a precise date for network-related improvements (which may not even satiate you in particular), to declare they're going to go elsewhere...yeah, probably better off elsewhere. 

Hence why they should have been looking for a replacement back in 11 instead of worrying about cricket sounds in 12! Smaller market share may have ben true years ago, but not anymore! Just look at all the hardware web site that have popped up over the years, if there was no market these sites would be gone by now, instead we see more and more flightsim hardware providers coming to the table, Just look at youtube videos with multi monitor setups they have grown over the years as single setups have shrunk.

They missed the mark with their decision with the graphics engine, going to lose more with the decision to work on cricket sounds over hiring someone for networking. Once people have moved on, I don't see them coming back, not after working out all the details for their hardware/software interface.

 

8 minutes ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Smaller market share may have ben true years ago, but not anymore!

I'm sure that market has grown but the number of people running your level of hardware is still a relatively small group.

Who's to say they weren't looking for a network stack architect after their guy left back in 11? The pro market has soldiered on just fine without said improvements, so no need to panic-hire a replacement. You also sound like someone who would prefer to build a small company using short term contractors instead of a long-term, sustainable organization that will weather industry storms. Get the feature out the door and then fire the hands that wrote it. You're also sounding exactly like us Linux users. No, wait...even worse: a Linux user pleading for VR support! I feel your pain.

Also, why exactly haven't you moved on 100% yet? What has kept you using XP? You've obviously got plenty of reason and options elsewhere to do so. What sliver of hope are you clinging to? The gfx engine isn't going back to v11 days so for you it won't be 'improving' in the direction you obviously desire.

1 minute ago, blingthinger said:

I'm sure that market has grown but the number of people running your level of hardware is still a relatively small group.

Who's to say they weren't looking for a network stack architect after their guy left back in 11? The pro market has soldiered on just fine without said improvements, so no need to panic-hire a replacement. You also sound like someone who would prefer to build a small company using short term contractors instead of a long-term, sustainable organization that will weather industry storms. Get the feature out the door and then fire the hands that wrote it. You're also sounding exactly like us Linux users. No, wait...even worse: a Linux user pleading for VR support! I feel your pain.

Also, why exactly haven't you moved on 100% yet? What has kept you using XP? You've obviously got plenty of reason and options elsewhere to do so. What sliver of hope are you clinging to? The gfx engine isn't going back to v11 days so for you it won't be 'improving' in the direction you obviously desire.

This has nothing to do with hardware such as mine, that's just the top of the pile. There are numerous individuals that run multiple computer/monitor setups without a flight deck, they are also in that market share along with me and other flight deck flyers. You'll find their videos all over social media so you don't have to take my word for it.

As far as your short/long term company scenario. L/R are the ones touting themselves as the professional route and the other program a game. Well the pros use networking type setups, that's important to them. Professionals don't care about cricket sounds or leaves blowing in the wind!

Haven't moved on because "NOW THIS IS JUST MY OPINION" XP12 has the superior physics, and that's it! If the other sim gets better in this one area I feel the drop in L/R will only grow.

5 minutes ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

numerous individuals

Yes. There are just as many Linux users out there too. Still relatively small.

Gotcha. Just wanted to clarify that this:

22 hours ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

time to move on!

is still just talk. Here's hoping that 12.08 addresses some of your UDP woes.

15 minutes ago, blingthinger said:

is still just talk. Here's hoping that 12.08 addresses some of your UDP woes.

When I first started looking at 2020 due to the stutters that were introduced by one of L/R updates (and that was the only reason I looked at 2020) I would agree with my just talk/venting. But working weeks at a clip to get the hardware setup, I don't think I'd agree with the just talk anymore. I have NEVER found myself just site seeing during a flight sim session in all my years of flying a desk. If I'm not running a flight from point A to B, or beta testing software or making hardware adjustments... I'm more than likely not flying.

For the first time in all these years I find myself just flying around checking out the world, seeing places I'll never see by going there. The satellite imagery along with the photogrammetry has taken flight sim to another level. I find when I go back to XP12, it's just to keep the Zibo-Mod, ZHSI, FDStoXP and 12 up to date and working.

Maybe that will change in the future as updates are provided by L/R, but I think I'm just past the point of no return...

1 hour ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

but I think I'm just past the point of no return...

You've already made that very clear. It's time to move on. Don't look back. It obviously only triggers your desire to complain.

I'm more than happy with orth4xp and simheaven. XP simply looks more realistic to my eyes all around. There's a plastic cartoonish tone in the other sims that is a turn off. Especially in VR.

21 hours ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Haven't moved on because "NOW THIS IS JUST MY OPINION" XP12 has the superior physics, and that's it! If the other sim gets better in this one area I feel the drop in L/R will only grow.

I can agree with this.  From XP12 release until May this year I was flying XP12 100% of the time.  Each month I would load up MSFS to see how it was coming along, but even though graphically it was better in several areas, it didn't FEEL as good.  In June I fired up MSFS and found out it had a realistic turbulence setting.  I flew it and was impressed with how the aircraft were moving about in the atmosphere - final approaches were no longer 'on rails'.

Also the vibrant and exciting LR videos and regular beta updates slowed down.  I also purchased an HDR600 monitor that MSFS supports and that meant the XP12 lighting that I was so amazed with became dull in comparison.  I am now 100% flying MSFS with a weekly check in to XP12 to see how things are coming along.  Great to see the lighting improvements, but even here a lighting hack has surfaced that gives MSFS the same accurate sky colouring that is now seen in XP12 - maybe Microsoft/Asobo will implement that into the sim in time.

For me, XP12 is good enough to give MSFS a run for its money IF they implement a few small changes.  For a start get HDR implemented, because without that the superb atmospheric lighting XP12 has will just not cut it without HDR for me.  I was blown away by the updated lighting in XP12 in a recent test flight, yet overall the ground and sky looked dark and flat to me because I am so used to flying in HDR in MSFS!

I would hate to see XP12 go backwards in market share because it is such a good sim!  If XP12 is losing customers like myself, and the OP, for graphical and hardware related reasons, the fact it is well known for its flight physics will not be enough.  I continue to be impressed with what XP12 does well, but MSFS improving in a few key areas has pulled me back to it.

Come on LR, keep that momentum going and pull people like myself back to XP12!

 

 

Edited September 24, 20232 yr by MrBitstFlyer

I can't even fly in MSFS 2020 anymore, such I feel like I have nothing on the end of the joystick and the strong annoying sensation of flying in a Lego world with surreal lighting. I will wait for MSFS 2024 hoping that it will improve the essential for a better representation of realism. I've had XP12 since the beginning and it's an intense pleasure today. Despite everything that MSFS 2020 offers, I really, really don't get the feeling of being on a plane and in a sky, whatever the name is.

 

13 hours ago, filou said:

I can't even fly in MSFS 2020 anymore, such I feel like I have nothing on the end of the joystick and the strong annoying sensation of flying in a Lego world with surreal lighting. I will wait for MSFS 2024 hoping that it will improve the essential for a better representation of realism. I've had XP12 since the beginning and it's an intense pleasure today. Despite everything that MSFS 2020 offers, I really, really don't get the feeling of being on a plane and in a sky, whatever the name is.

 

Perhaps VR would be your cup of tea....