1 hour ago, DAD said:

sorry, cannot help any further as I deleted the original screen shots already. I can just repeat that I imported a Simbrief pln into 04R using the BORD7R STAR. Nothing else.

Usually at LFMN, the runway for landing is the O4L (04R is used for departures). After MUS (the end of the STAR if you are arriving from the west), you get a VECTOR segment : if you are flying on line with an ATC, he or she will give you a heading (so, don't clear the discontinuity in the FMC, as DAD should have done I presume, because he was arriving to NISAR, from the north-east) : a heading to LEMPU to intercept the ILS 04L or a heading of about 90°, then a direct to BISBO for a RNAV A (then VPT A) 04L (the usual approach for noise reasons on the French riviera, if meteo conditions allow it, e.g. a ceiling no more less than 3000 ft : minimums is 2000 ft for this approach). So, on approach to Nice, fly the vector segment, then program a direct to LEMPU or BISBO.

Hope it will help you flying this beautiful approach (the more challenging beiing the 22R...).

Edited October 26, 20232 yr by danhenri

2 hours ago, DAD said:

sorry, cannot help any further as I deleted the original screen shots already. I can just repeat that I imported a Simbrief pln into 04R using the BORD7R STAR. Nothing else.

Hi Phil,

Thanks for the follow up.

Well, you posted the initial problem screenshot saying:
“ it overshoots in steep turns, see below when turning onto final approach 04R. “

You were inviting everyone to have a look at your screenshot as an example of the problem.

So, I wanted to test your flight/approach.
However information to recreate the problem is lacking.

In a previous post I asked:
Is that a published procedure you were following?

It turns out, as far as I can tell:
The STAR you mentioned (BORDI7R) has nothing to do with the fix MUS and MUS has nothing to do with turning onto the final ILS04R approach.

I did a Simbrief plan and it did not include MUS in the route.
It ended at the end of the STAR (NERAS).

I would like to see your Simbrief plan where it included MUS.

MUS (on the Initial Approach Plate) is a holding fix and a “wait for vectors” fix?

Your unknown approach procedure and aircraft configuration for the approach does a 170 degree turn to final at MUS.

It would be good for you to do another flight with:
a proper Initial Approach Procedure after the BORDI7R STAR
a published ILS04R Approach
verify if there are any problems while on speed and on altitude

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, vonmar said:

You were inviting everyone to have a look at your screenshot

yeah but I did not intend to make an academic work out of it ;-). no offence, happy if you want to fly that approach but I can only repeat: I am in no way a pilot, am lazy and cannot live without Simbrief import and thus fly whatever Simbrief and the FMC throw at me. even steep turns in the CRJ ;-). I am currently enroute in the FBW from LFZB (bad bad weather right now) to EDDM and may try to recreate my own flight in the CRJ later today

HI every pilots.
i have this plane CRJ550/700 only and I love it
It does not have ATHR and if I do not have too much problem to land others liners, 🤣 without ATHR for me it is more difficuly to land with CRJ but also I found it very interesting.
So I am using FSIPanel and repeate again a lot off landing to improve my flight.
Just one remarks it seems that in LFMN airport ILS 04L is correctly aligned, 04 R is not and you have to adjustt your landing after disconnect AUTOPILOT.

And it works with Linda if you have others Joystick I found a profile in Linda Download I modifiy with my MCP COMBO VRINsight works

I hesitate to buy BAE146 which seems more complicated to fly.

What do-you think about it?

About screens difficult to read I resolve the problem with another screen and with this magnific software to export quickly ND PFD etc
msfs-popout-panel-manager you found on FlightSimTO
https://fr.flightsim.to/file/35759/msfs-pop-out-panel-manager

Regards from France🙂

 

Edited October 26, 20232 yr by Maclaw

On 10/23/2023 at 7:59 PM, ryanbatc said:

MSFS.  If I recall the p3d version had the same issues.

Hi Ryan,

I purchased the Aerosoft CRJ550700 for MSFS2020 January 2023 
CRJ’s current version 1.0.18
I am testing using MSFS v1.34.16

No problems intercepting / tracking VOR’s or ILS’s
Note: I see some other pilots posting here are doing ok as well.

Was wondering if your testing was current or when the CRJ was first released for MSFS2020 a couple years ago?

1 hour ago, vonmar said:

Hi Phil,

Thanks for the follow up.

Well, you posted the initial problem screenshot saying:
“ it overshoots in steep turns, see below when turning onto final approach 04R. “

You were inviting everyone to have a look at your screenshot as an example of the problem.

So, I wanted to test your flight/approach.
However information to recreate the problem is lacking.

In a previous post I asked:
Is that a published procedure you were following?

It turns out, as far as I can tell:
The STAR you mentioned (BORDI7R) has nothing to do with the fix MUS and MUS has nothing to do with turning onto the final ILS04R approach.

I did a Simbrief plan and it did not include MUS in the route.
It ended at the end of the STAR (NERAS).

I would like to see your Simbrief plan where it included MUS.

MUS (on the Initial Approach Plate) is a holding fix and a “wait for vectors” fix?

Your unknown approach procedure and aircraft configuration for the approach does a 170 degree turn to final at MUS.

It would be good for you to do another flight with:
a proper Initial Approach Procedure after the BORDI7R STAR
a published ILS04R Approach
verify if there are any problems while on speed and on altitude

 

 

 

MUS is the IAF for a STAR flying from the West, NERAS from the East (like BORDI7R). In both cases, you will get a vectoring for the approach, for example to join LEMPU 1N for an ILS approach. In Simbrief, you must change the runway to 04L, if it gives you the 04R.

Edited October 26, 20232 yr by danhenri

16 minutes ago, danhenri said:

MUS is the IAF for a STAR flying from the West, NERAS from the East (like BORDI7R). In both cases, you will get a vectoring for the approach, for example to join LEMPU 1N for an ILS approach. In Simbrief, you must change the runway to 04L, if it gives you the 04R.

MUS and NERAS are IAF's for runways.

And, MUS is a Fly Over fix.

In this topic I was just looking for an ILS initial approach which included a 170 degree turn to final (per initial screenshot).

Edited October 26, 20232 yr by vonmar

1 hour ago, vonmar said:

n this topic I was just looking for an ILS initial approach which included a 170 degree turn to final (per initial screenshot).

It doesn't exist... 😉

upon popular demand I am now flying again LSZH to LFMN in the CRJ700. same flightplan. so BORD7R into 04R even if that is not typically allowed, apologies danhenri. right now over the alps, may take a while until I land because as said the CRJ requires much more attention than an airbus and I usually have to do some homeoffice work while flying, so in the CRJ I need to literally use my coffee breaks to adjust speed/throttles...

 

Edited October 26, 20232 yr by DAD

Hi Phil,

"I am now flying again LSZH to LFMN in the CRJ100"

Or CRJ1000 for MSFS2020?

I only have the CRJ550/700 but I may get the upgraded models.

Maybe screenshots of your route (FMS) / ILS waypoints pages?

Edited October 26, 20232 yr by vonmar

HI Papa excellent fly and work do-uyou have an hostess for coffee breaks? 🤣

Hi Vonmar I think that it is the same as CRJ700 not necessary fly with CRJ1000 or upgrated model in my opinion  depend of money or buy in sales
And if Simbrief did not give you the right runway you can change it in FMC CRJ 04L which is in my opinion the alone ILS aligned on the runway 04R is >3 degrees

I fly with CRJ700 from LFMT to LFMN quickly but really appreciated

 

 

Edited October 26, 20232 yr by Maclaw

CRJ700 I meant, this is where I am now. no MUS though. but still a steep turn which the CRJ overshot

But nonetheless it captured the ILS nicely and landed just fine:

Edited October 26, 20232 yr by DAD

Phil,

Thanks for the follow up.

I will run thru your screenshots in a little while.

While you are flying :

I tested with PMDG (P3D4.5) using Navigraph Navdata and created an approach from STAR fix NERAS to IAF MUSNB (MUS) with approx 170 degree right turn to fix CF0RY (screenshot) for ILS04R.

I have not found this approach in Navigraph Charts yet but still looking.

I normally fly in USA so it takes me a bit longer to sort thru the Euro charts.

 

Phil,

Your screenshots show you went from NERAS (STAR) 
without Vectors 
without an Initial Approach sequence
directly to the Final approach fix NA155 for the big turn to final.
I am not surprised there would be an overshoot.

Did you reach NA155 (as in a fly over waypoint) before the big turn started to final?
Or did the turn start before reaching NA155?


Notes:
If no vectors you need to do it yourself (hand fly e.g. like a circle to land but on the approach side) to join NA155 straight on.

So, in your screenshot self vectors e.g. would be:
well before reaching NA155: 
turn left heading 221 past NA155 downwind leg, right to 311 base leg, right to 41 Intercept LOC on final.

ATC Vectors would normally position you so no big turns to final.

The weird thing I notice in this addon is that the sounds in my opinion were more realistic in p3d than they are in this msfs version.  I'm not sure why though.  But it's the engines.  Particularly spool up when increasing throttle.