Hi all
Just looking around the Asobo 787 flight deck for the first time and noticed that the first officer's display seems the wrong way around, which looks a bit odd when flying from that side.
Is there a button in the real 787 flight deck (or the sim) to reverse this?
Thanks

Edited November 11, 20232 yr by simmerluke

1 hour ago, simmerluke said:

Hi all
Just looking around the Asobo 787 flight deck for the first time and noticed that the first officer's display seems the wrong way around, which looks a bit odd when flying from that side.
Is there a button in the real 787 flight deck (or the sim) to reverse this?
Thanks

I'm not sure what you mean with "the wrong way around"? Screenshot?
Anyway there are a couple of buttons in the cockpit that can switch around the MFDs as desired.

Matt from working titles mentioned that this is to reduce load on the computer.
 

They may at sometime in the future create an expansion pack to address this but at the moment there is no way around it. 

11 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

I'm not sure what you mean with "the wrong way around"?

The small information panel on the PFD screen containing the registration, date, SELCAL etc should always be on the outbound side. 
So on the far left for the Capt and on the right for the FO screen.

In the sim the FO’s screen is just a reproduction of the Capt’s screen so the layout of the PFD screen  is incorrect with the information panel on the left, and on not the right as it would be on the aircraft.

It’s not really an issue unless you want to fly in the right hand seat…but that doesn’t pay as well !

2 hours ago, jon b said:

The small information panel on the PFD screen containing the registration, date, SELCAL etc should always be on the outbound side. 
So on the far left for the Capt and on the right for the FO screen.

In the sim the FO’s screen is just a reproduction of the Capt’s screen so the layout of the PFD screen  is incorrect with the information panel on the left, and on not the right as it would be on the aircraft.

It’s not really an issue unless you want to fly in the right hand seat…but that doesn’t pay as well !

Ah yes, never noticed it to be honest. That's probably a bug or something WT just didn't know.

8 hours ago, simmerluke said:

Hi all
Just looking around the Asobo 787 flight deck for the first time and noticed that the first officer's display seems the wrong way around, which looks a bit odd when flying from that side.
Is there a button in the real 787 flight deck (or the sim) to reverse this?
Thanks

Yeah the Auxiliary (Aux) display on the outboard display unit that has the flight data block and atc data block, is on the wrong side and is just the captain’s one replicated, I think it’s known about and is just down to memory issues.  

Edited November 11, 20232 yr by g-liner

5 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

Ah yes, never noticed it to be honest. That's probably a bug or something WT just didn't know.

@silentghostx has the correct answer here. The FO side is just a texture duplicate of the left side intentionally. The displays are very resource intensive and thus this display is just duplicated at this time and there is no separate FO display running. These displays and systems, despite heavy optimization, are pushing the limits of what the tech stack is capable of delivering, especially as far as CPU usage is concerned.

We may offer an enhancement pack down the road like we do with the G3000/5000 aircraft for the same thing, if we find the resources to do that.

Edited November 11, 20232 yr by MattNischan

48 minutes ago, MattNischan said:

@silentghostx has the correct answer here. The FO side is just a texture duplicate of the left side intentionally. The displays are very resource intensive and thus this display is just duplicated at this time and there is no separate FO display running. These displays and systems, despite heavy optimization, are pushing the limits of what the tech stack is capable of delivering, especially as far as CPU usage is concerned.

We may offer an enhancement pack down the road like we do with the G3000/5000 aircraft for the same thing, if we find the resources to do that.

Makes sense and it's a good trade-off in my opinion. Seperate displays are only really necessary when there are appropriate failures coded.

Thanks all for the replies and I understand now that the outboard display units are simply duplicated.

Must have been there since day one but it's not something I'd noticed until very recently and now upon casual panning around the cockpit it's not something I can 'unsee'.

Nice to hear that there might ultimately be something in the works to correct it. Fingers crossed!

3 hours ago, MattNischan said:

We may offer an enhancement pack down the road like we do with the G3000/5000 aircraft for the same thing, if we find the resources to do that.

Matt, as a business opportunity I and I'm sure many others would gladly pay for an "enhancement pack" containing upgrading of the systems and FMC.

As it seems quality wings has gone missing in action, and no one else that I know of at least is planning on taking on the complexity of a 787 simulation, it's our only hope of achieving anything like a "study level" 787 in MSFS.

3 hours ago, MattNischan said:

We may offer an enhancement pack down the road

😄

5 hours ago, jon b said:

Matt, as a business opportunity I and I'm sure many others would gladly pay for an "enhancement pack" containing upgrading of the systems and FMC.

WT are first party developers on MSFS, like Asobo, so I don't think you're liable to see independent releases from us.

We're pretty happy with the featureset of the Boeings right now. Our objective for these projects is generally always the same: a great normal operations, navigation, and avionics experience. For something beyond that, third parties are more in that space. It's taken about 60 person-months to take it where we have it, and that already represents an extremely massive investment from the platform. So, it's hard to argue diverting our resources to that further with so much stuff to do in and around the sim.

Edited November 12, 20232 yr by MattNischan

@MattNischan

Thanks for the explanation Matt, and yes what we have now with the Boeing fleet for normal ops is fantastic, thanks to your work, especially when comparing to what the Boeings were like when the sim launched.

As you have laid such solid foundations it would be great to see a developer take up the baton and push deeper into the systems and non-normal operations. The 787 is such a complex machine I think it would lend itself well to a complete simulation with things like the closed loop non-normal ECL and alternative NAV through the TCP being simulated, along with the ability to perform FMC ENG OUT driftdowns in VNAV, to name a few.

I fully understand, as you’ve explained, such things are beyond your aims and remit, but I strongly believe there is a market there for someone, and an appetite among  so called hard core simmers for a 787 that has in depth non-normal simulation.

Especially when you consider the 787 is now the mainstay of real world long haul operations worldwide, it is incredibly underrepresented in the simulator world, on any of the available platforms.

Possibly the flight factor 787 in development for XP may address this in the future, but that remains to be seen.

I am of course completely biased as the 787 is my current real world jet,I would  love a 787 with non normals for my own revision and practice. Having used home PC simulation for such revision for well over 20 years ( long before it was popular to do so and then start a YouTube channel about it) I’m a strong believer in its benefits. 
 

However flight simulation was initially, before I was lucky enough to  transition to real world flying , my hobby, and  one I remain passionate about, going back to Sublogic FS 2 on the Commodore 64. So I have a foot in both camps here.

Anyway, thanks again for your explanation and all that you and your colleagues have achieved in bringing the Boeing fleet up to the standard we all now enjoy. I  must say I also really enjoy flying the enhanced 747 in the circuit.

I sincerely hope you get the opportunity to squeeze a little more into the Boeings before you move on to other projects.

Edited November 12, 20232 yr by jon b

My current issue with this is that my pop out manager will not pop out the FO PFD.  I have a MIP Sim. consisting of two 29" ultra wide monitors projecting the 4 MIP displays. Anyone have a workaround to pop out all four MIP displays?