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Yeah, I wondered if you’d seen that !

I was hoping you could come up with a rational explanation, as I’m seeing these exact same things almost every time I fly.

If there’s not a reasonable explanation then we have a problem because these things are, A) frequent B) widespread and C) very blatant in their behaviour.

Over to you …..👍

11 hours ago, jon b said:

I was hoping you could come up with a rational explanation, as I’m seeing these exact same things almost every time I fly.

 

At first I thought it looked like a planet but at the end of the video he describes it as "dancing" and moving left, right, forwards and backwards. And four appear at same time and form a formation. 

You and many others are seeing this phenomenon. What occurs to me is that you and other pilots that are witnessing this are experienced and familiar with activity in the night sky, and yet you are still baffled. 

I recall Mick West suggested it was Starlink and put forward a hypothesis as to how this visual manifestation could happen. I will have to look again at his hypothesis but I recall that last time I wasn't convinced he was right.

 

Thanks Martin.

These things have started appearing  only within the last couple of years so perhaps that ties in with the start of starlink.

I too have heard the starlink suggestion, with the apparent left -right up-down movement explained by multiple satellites on different tracks coming into view as one goes out of view ( illumination) but I’m not yet convinced by that explanation.

My concern was not the UFO but what the heck was he eating for dinner??  Soylent brown? 🤮

Do these objects "dance" like the captain of this plane seems to be suggesting? If they do, then they are not satellites. Also, I would not expect an entire constellation of satellites to "flash" at the same bearing relative to the aircraft. The Iridium constellation of satellites were capable of flashing really bright for several seconds (magnitude -8 or -9, which is somewhere between Venus and the Full Moon), but they were completely random.

Yes they love a good dance, and when they’re bright they’re really bright, brighter than LED Landing lights bright, much more so than a planet or the moon.

21 hours ago, jon b said:

These things have started appearing  only within the last couple of years so perhaps that ties in with the start of starlink.

 

 

Edited August 15, 20241 yr by martin-w

interesting thread from last year, on Metabunk. I cant link to it for some reason.

Google for...

 

UAPs seen by pilots - shared by Ryan Grave

Edited August 15, 20241 yr by martin-w

Yes, that certainly looks like it could be starlink alright, but on the starlink visualisation all the satellites are moving the same direction, is that correct? These lights move in all directions.

Satellites can get brighter then darker as the sun reflects off their surfaces, but they don't move around like that, so I don't think this was Starlink or any other satellites.

It is interesting to me that there has been an increase of sighting over the past several years, much like the wave of sightings in the 1940s and 1950s.  It may be that the UFO activity is the same as it has always been but we are seeing more of these things nowadays because of our technology.  Consider that there are smartphones everywhere nowadays so more people can record them, whereas this was not the case just 20 years ago.

On the other hand, these aliens may have become very interested in what's going on down here lately and they have increased their surveillance.

Dave

7 hours ago, dave2013 said:

Satellites can get brighter then darker as the sun reflects off their surfaces, but they don't move around like that, so I don't think this was Starlink or any other satellites.

 

I think Mick West's analyses in the video above is very good and certainly explains the majority, and we have to consider probability, and the overwhelming probability is that it is indeed Starlink. Whether Starlink explains all of the sightings, I don't know.

It's certainly mysterious that so many pilots, and indeed amateur astronomers have seen these objects slow down, change direction and stop. 

 

https://www.quora.com/I-witnessed-a-satellite-going-from-east-to-west-then-stop-and-make-a-right-angle-turn-to-the-north-Can-satellites-do-this

It’s been suggested to me that an explanation for the change of direction is caused by one object travelling left to right for example fades out of view and is immediately replaced by a different object travelling right to left. I’m not entirely convinced.

I’m also watching these events through a high quality pair of binoculars, which exposes more of these objects moving around in the background behind the bright ones which aren’t visible to the naked eye.

Personally I’m fully aware that there ARE controlled objects operating in our atmosphere that do not observe  aerodynamic principles, or behave with respect known laws of physics, or international air law for that matter. I know that to be fact not speculation, so I don’t need convincing on that front.

However, as to whether or not these lights that we are seeing also fall into that category or are man made objects such as starlink I’m far less certain.

However , as I’ve said before, if these things prove not to be starlink or something similar , then in all seriousness we have a huge problem, because these things are everywhere and in large numbers, and most alarmingly make no attempt to hide their presence.

I look at it this way...

It's an Unidentified Flying Object. The operative Word is "Unidentified". Most people will then say "I don't know what it is; it must be [this, that,or the other Thing]". Well... If you don't know what it is, that's where the entire Conversation should End.

Any Conjecture or Speculation is nothing more than attempting to satisfy "The Argument from Ignorance".

And... before anyone takes offense, that is a REAL Thing. It's been known for Years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

 

Edited August 16, 20241 yr by ViperPilot

Let's hope there is a difference between "What can this be?" and "It must be this."

Hook