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Is there any benefit to stay with SP2 at this point? I have Ultimate Traffic installed and noticed that the landing lights on the AI make the AI look like a comet is about to hit the runway. I also want to add some add on airports from Imaginesim but it to has lighting problems when in SP2. I have emailed them about this and they have confirmed it to be a SP2 bug. Is there any real performace increase in SP2 or has anybody tested this. I dont recall seeing any after installing SP2. Also can I just uninstall SP2 in the windows control panel, or do I need to reinstall from scratch. Thanks

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SP2 removed some backward compatibility, which is what will happen in next flight sim. And yes if you want to purchase any addons you will need to stay with SP2. It will take some time for the developers to replace all the old textures and relese the SP2 version so you will just have to be patient with the rest of us. Oh and its not actually a bug, a bug is something that happens by accident this was done on purpose, but hopefully without the backward compatibility we will have a better sim.

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>I have SP2 (read: NOT Acceleration) and a bunch of addons and>have 0 problems whatsoever.Which ones. The only add on I have seen no problems with so far is FDC Live Cockpit. All the problems I see in the others are all related to some kind of lighting problem.

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>I have emailed them about this and they have confirmed it to be a SP2>bug.What they should have said is that their package isn't compatible with SP2. It's not a bug, but an incompatibility.Yes - Keep SP2. After SP2 was installed, I "reset" all my config file tweaks, all my crazy settings, and just flew normally - I got good performance, good experiences, and stable systems. No more tweaking needed! Also, SP2 is the new and final benchmark that developers will be using to code for FSX. They will not code for the original retail version or the SP1 version, but rather for the Acceleration/SP2 level. Recommendation: Keep!-Greg

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This is terribe advice.Have you tried using Imaginesim airports with SP2? Even they are now advising their customers not to use SP2. Ditch SP2. Use SP1 and everything works perfectly.Martin

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SP2 has updated - fixed models of the default aircraft, it fixes hundreds of bugs in FSX.I'm sorry - saying ditch SP2 is like saying to ditch the FS2004 9.1 update, or to ditch SP2 for XP.There may be some issues today but they are very minor. In a few months you will regret the decision.

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Why's that? Is something special happening in a few months? In the meantime we won't be able to use the stuff we've bought now. If something is happening in a few months then I would have though it would be wiser to use SP1 until then?Martin

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Some stay with the past and some go with the future.Since sp2 is free one has choice, and users will make the choice that makes the most sense for them.I don't have a single add on that doesn't work with sp2 -I do have a few that will not work without sp2 though. As time goes by that will be more the norm than the other way around.http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/1b5baf...b9f427f694g.jpgMy blog:http://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

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I did a complete re-install of FSX, SP1 and SP2 (via Acceleration) when Acceleration came out. That probably eliminated many SP2 problems. Plus, I have not gone to Vista which also eliminated many frustrations. :)All of my add on planes work, with a huge variance in FPS performance. Bob..

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>Plus, I have not gone to Vista>which also eliminated many frustrations. :)If you have not gone to Vista, how would you know it eliminated many frustrations?? lolI have been on Vista with FSX since Vista's release and have absolutely no issues or "frustrations".Sorry, but these type of statements never cease to amaze me.

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Same here on Vista. I did have a few problems early on with buggy drivers from nvidia but now none-I'd even say more stable than xp that I have on my 4 other machines. One small thing I really like-when you do have a problem and it sends those mysterious reports to Microsoft-you actually get a reply back telling you what the problem was and where to go to fix it! :-lolOne should read the quote Koroush Ghazi-an expert on all operating systems(www.tweakguides.com): states in his introduction on Vista on page 12. I'd quote it but don't want to violate copyrights.http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/1b5baf...b9f427f694g.jpgMy blog:http://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

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>>Plus, I have not gone to Vista>>which also eliminated many frustrations. :)>>If you have not gone to Vista, how would you know it>eliminated many frustrations?? lol>>I have been on Vista with FSX since Vista's release and have>absolutely no issues or "frustrations".>>Sorry, but these type of statements never cease to amaze me.Dear Lucky,:)Your right, I based my decision on bazillions (Avogadro's number x 10.2) of driver issues, registration error's, re-installation errors, incompatibilities, confusion and frustration when Vista was introduced. And there are STILL many posts involving Vista. I'm glad you missed it. I don't use it now because my computer does not have the hardware to run it and I use FS9 30 percent of time. This is getting silly that ANY individuals experience implying Vista or FSX is less than stellar attacks an immediate rebuttal of amazement.Bob..

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I'm beginning to wonder that there is a hardcore of fanatical Vista and/or FSX enthusiasts that refuse to countenance that anything is ever wrong, ever with either/both!! I have had some issues with FSX+SP2 these last few days and during my attempts to resolve them I came up against a few brick walls, and it's been a hard job to find anything much out. Most of the time I have got embroiled in technical arguments that as a 'simple' simmer I don't really have any understanding of. I think the only advice I have found useful has been "use SP2 if it works for you, if not go then go back to SP1".As an airline simmer using airports by all the major developers I have found that in all cases FSX+SP1 works perfectly.Martin

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>Bob->It only seems logical that when someone who does not own or>use a product expresses very strong opinions on such a>product, that others who actually own and use the product>will feel inclined to comment-especially when their personal>experience is different.>>>>>http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/1b5baf...b9f427f694g.jpg>>My blog:>http://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/I agree, but expectations based upon those whose experiences are contrary also count. :) I have never driven a car into a concrete bunker at 100mph, but my expectations are it would be bad. LOL. My last comment was a "rhetorical sigh". Thanks.Bob..

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Agreed somewhat-but I am always a little suspicious of hype in either direction and prefer to have a look myself. I am on record the 2nd day I owned Vista writing an post to the Vista support board stating that Vista was the worst operating system I ever bought and the biggest waste of money I ever made...(I am embarassed now and wish I could remove the post). The real problem was I expected to jump in and run it just like Xp-turns out it works a little differently-and I actually had to learn a few things about it first to make it work like I personally wanted it to.In any case-I have a better link. These are two free guides on both Vista and Windows Xp that are amazing. If you do/don't own Vista I'd take a look at his guide (especially the introduction) and if you own Windows Xp I'd give his guide a read to make it work better also:http://www.tweakguides.com/TGTC.htmlhttp://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/1b5baf...b9f427f694g.jpgMy blog:http://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

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I think this mischaracterizes what I see happening.It is not anyone "refusing to countenance that anything is ever wrong", and there are a lot of threads talking to how to fix content, address issues, etc. Certainly I am in here and not shying away from the difficult issues even if some do not particularly like my responses.When someone with an issue tries to take their issue and then generalize along the lines of 'SP2 suxs' or 'Aces are idiots' or something along those lines - that is when the threads tend to go south. And people step in and debunk those ciaims.I see this forum as very negative. And the moderators doing a heroic job to not let many threads degenerate into whinge fests on the same topic over and over again. Say it once and move along.The fact is that the airports that are broken are not FSX airports. Regardless of the claim by certain airport developers that they are "forced" to use unsupported techniques; which is an artistic issue and not a technical one, content made by the FSX-SDK will work in SP2. So the developer is selling something that by definition will have issues, and is then complaining about it. That is not fair.

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It's negative for one simple reason, a lot of people are fed up with the current situation, well I am anyway.This is a forum for all opinions and I've got something to say. If I think SP2 isn't all that good then I have a right to say so. What isn't fair is that MS have chopped FSX about too much and if you like it or not there are a lot of unhappy simmers. I don't think you are shying away, more dodging it with your recalcitrance. You could have avoided all of this by keeping a little/some/loads of backward compatibility so that SP2 didn't cause so much pain. If you know your FS history that's what has happened all through FS, ceratinly since I started simming with FS5, and it has been a cornerstone of its success. You have whipped the rug away from under our FS feet and we have fallen on our backsides. Not to put to finer point on it.Martin

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As long as people are respectful and avoid personal insults, sure dialog is a good thing.You see my replies as recalcitrance, I see it as stating the facts about the platform. I can see how people might wish it were different, but at some point we have to agree this is what it is and move along. And not keep repeating the same grouse over and over.One way I see to address this issue with add-os is with a formal add-on certification and signing process. Then the sim would refuse to load anything but a signed add-on.Then it is crystal clear what is supported by the platform and what is not. And thus there is no "spin" room; and the consumer cannot get confused.In any case, backwards compatibility is not going to be the same going forward. It is very likely the sim will only load content that has been produced by the then current SDK. That change alone will remove a lot of the opportunity for confusion.

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If you are considering ways to address this issue maybe issue a patch for SP2 that makes stuff for SP1 work within the bounds of SP2 methodology? Then you could have an all encompassing addon certificate. Everyone is happy. It's only the appearance of black squares associated with lighting and see-through stuff (trees, signs, etc) that's not working with me. I personally don't suffer with the CTD's (though I can sympathize with those that do).Martin

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I was discussing future ways of addressing this issue. Lets not get into a circular argument here. FSX is what it is, as I said.

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> Is there any benefit to stay with SP2 at this point?> Is there any real performace increase in SP2 or has> anybody tested this?SP2 contains fixes which (at least for me) massively improve performance with photoscenery compared to SP1. For that alone, I'll cheerfully put up with a few texture issues with 3rd party a/c and airports.Cheers,DD

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> Is there any benefit to stay with SP2 at this point? Yes indeed, well for me anyway...The first is the Digital Aviation Cheyenne and the second is the new FTX scenery from Orbx...Cheers,Chris Porter:-outtaPerthWestern Australia

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