2 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Again!

Adding features does not mean simulation aspects have been removed!

Well, Yes and no. It adds more complexity and potential bugs (clearly) in the software as well as resources having to work in those areas. It becomes a more compromised streamlined version of simulation where flying accurracy and airliner performance in the sim is not prio 1. Thankfully we have 3rd party options but still...

22 minutes ago, flightsim1818 said:

Well, Yes and no. It adds more complexity and potential bugs (clearly) in the software as well as resources having to work in those areas. It becomes a more compromised streamlined version of simulation where flying accurracy and airliner performance in the sim is not prio 1. Thankfully we have 3rd party options but still...

I really don't get this line of thinking. A modern porsche is filled with complexity to enhance the driving experience but it is still faithfully a porsche. Even the Porsche EVs are highly regarded by petrolheads.

There's nothing to give people the idea that flight simming is not a priority for MSFS if they bothered to read any patch notes, do any contingent flight tests, watch any live streams etc etc all to see that Asobo is clearly focused. So why the speculation on something that is unfounded? You've got rave reviews that ground modelling has been greatly enhanced, inertial modelling significantly improved, flight handling doing xwind flight stages more faithful to real life. Like what more do you need to see that Asobo is clearly focused?

Edited December 11, 20241 yr by Lucky38i

1 hour ago, Georgleboui said:

In theory I'm actually all for streaming and I get why its an inevitability. I think it could be amazing for scenery.
The idea is that there's just so much high-fidelity content out there that you just can't have it all installed efficiently and without constantly managing it.

2020 used to take me 20-30 minutes to load. I had hundreds of both payware and sceneries and it was loading all of it. I think almost 700gbs of addons?
Sure, I could just use addon linker and manage the exact bits I need - but who has time for that?

Only streaming what I need per flight just makes sense. Hey I'm only in Papua today, why would I need to load all my Africa sceneries?

In practice though I totally get it's not ideal. Teething issues, I'd call them.
Definitely don't need to stream planes, gauges, all that other stuff.

Right - I just viewed some of the Developer Stream and it seems they are considering local downloads, at least the aircraft of your choice. As for the world textures I still think it makes sense to be able to pick an area from a map and download it and run locally. It doesn't have to be an "all or nothing" approach. Let the user decide. Furthermore - and now I only speak for myself - I prefer shorter flights since I mostly enjoy start and landings and not really a long-haul simmer so a "smaller" area like norther europe for example would do just fine. If not then I can choose to download another area.

Also, it would be interesting to activate a nightmode in FS where night textures are far less heavy and focus is more on artifical light (ie lamps). Maybe that is the case already I don't know but it feels like night ground textures are just dimmed down ambient daylight textures. But again, maybe that is the case already so I will stand corrected if so...

10 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

I really don't get this line of thinking. A modern porsche is filled with complexity to enhance the driving experience but it is still faithfully a porsche. Even the Porsche EVs are highly regarded by petrolheads.

There's nothing to give people the idea that flight simming is not a priority for MSFS if they bothered to read any patch notes, do any contingent flight tests, watch any live streams etc etc all to see that Asobo is clearly focused. So why the speculation on something that is unfounded? You've got rave reviews that ground modelling has been greatly enhanced, inertial modelling significantly improved, flight handling doing xwind flight stages more faithful to real life. Like what more do you need to see that Asobo is clearly focused?

As I said, they are running into problems and can't handle the complexity right now. If that tech-filled Porsche didn't work as intended - let alone didn't even start on demand how would you rate the driving experience? Great...when it works?

7 minutes ago, flightsim1818 said:

As I said, they are running into problems and can't handle the complexity right now. If that tech-filled Porsche didn't work as intended - let alone didn't even start on demand how would you rate the driving experience? Great...when it works?

Good point.

I use MSFS2020 primarily to fly a few specific airplanes / helicopters that are not in my other Sims.

If MSFS2020 is down or experiencing other problems I just reboot the PC and fire up another of my Sims (across 2 of my PCs):
FSX (Steam)
P3D4
P3D5
P3D6
Xplane11
Xplane12 

Edit:
I previously posted this problem, exited MSFS2020 and loaded a flight in another sim.:
https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/658169-msfs2020-runway-lights-in-the-sky/

Edited December 11, 20241 yr by vonmar

9 minutes ago, flightsim1818 said:

As I said, they are running into problems and can't handle the complexity right now.

I'm not going to sit here and pretend like the release was spectacular, it was terrible. However, if we sat on our laurels and didn't try something new we wouldn't have FS20 to begin with. So let Asobo experiment, it's a shame the experiment was release unfinished (I blame the MBAs) but we're here now.

The idea of installing this game with all it's streamed scenery data on my harddrive is ridiculous. I have a fast connection but how would I download many terabytes of data? Streaming is the only reasonable approach, especially regarding the scenery.

7 minutes ago, crimplene said:

The idea of installing this game with all it's streamed scenery data on my harddrive is ridiculous. I have a fast connection but how would I download many terabytes of data? Streaming is the only reasonable approach, especially regarding the scenery.

Did yo purchase MSFS2020?

3 minutes ago, vonmar said:

Did yo purchase MSFS2020?

Of course. Even MSFS2020 streams most of the scenery, so you can't really use it offline - only with a dramatically reduced scenery.

I can understand that installing Aircrafts locally should be an option but streaming is an absolute must.

6 minutes ago, crimplene said:

Of course. Even MSFS2020 streams most of the scenery, so you can't really use it offline - only with a dramatically reduced scenery.

I can understand that installing Aircrafts locally should be an option but streaming is an absolute must.

If it worked in MSFS2020 it could work in MSFS2024.

Note: I have not purchased MSFS2024 so cannot comment how it works.

32 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

I'm not going to sit here and pretend like the release was spectacular, it was terrible. However, if we sat on our laurels and didn't try something new we wouldn't have FS20 to begin with. So let Asobo experiment, it's a shame the experiment was release unfinished (I blame the MBAs) but we're here now.

Well, I don't know about you but after one year of bug fixes and patches for MS2020 I kind of lost interest. For every patch with fixes there were like ten new bugs and our performance tweaks suddenly didn't work. When FS2024 was announced there was this talk about a complete rebuild, major performance improvements and overall a much more modern engine. 

Well...basically we are seeing the exact same issues again and we are paying dearly to have the whole circus repeated. Are we now supposed to spend another year or two reporting bugs to Asobo and when finally everything is working they announce FS 2028, we pay again and start all over.

I am sure the MSFS2024 has major potential but they HAVE to fix the bugs before they rush it through the doors. The bigger it gets, the harder it will be to address the bugs before release. At least with their current test plans and staffing.

 

Edited December 11, 20241 yr by flightsim1818

2 hours ago, flightsim1818 said:

Ever since the first flightsimulator from Microsoft we have asked for more, more and more performance improvements. Some tweak configfiles more than flying. And when we finally give up and sign our eye-watering payment plan for the latest and greatest from Nvidia, Microsofts ups the game and a new flightsim is there. Prettier but slower than ever before. That is just the way of things.

BUT with FS2024 I just can't understand what happened when they decided to stream the game? What on earth is going on? I mean, I remember the total pain when FS2020 was released. Downloading it took days so at least then the tech was far from ready. And after reading comments here and everywhere it obviously still isn't. Some might get lucky but the most common comment I have read since the 2024 release is "It's great...when it works"

So...is there a clear advantage for Asobo/Microsoft to keep it streamed rather than locally installed? And why can't we choose? I mean, I know this is more of a game now where focus is on consoles where streaming makes more sense but I hope that at least someone at Asobo still believes that there are many hardcore flightsimmers out there who have spent a fortune on hardware each time a new release is on the horizon. 

Any takers?

There is only one reason 22 Petabytes, which (at my current internet speed) would take about a year to download 🙃🤪

10 minutes ago, vonmar said:

If it worked in MSFS2020 it could work in MSFS2024.

Note: I have not purchased MSFS2024 so cannot comment how it works.

There certainly are bugs but I don't think that the main problem is streaming. For me (sitting in Germany but using a VPN server in the USA) it almost always streams fast and reliably. In the past with MSFS2020 I had problems with streaming, so I switched to the VPN. I don't see a lot of difference between 2020 and 2024. In the first days after release sometimes the aircraft (locally stored in 2020, of course but streamed in 2024) didn't load fully and some textures or even the sound was missing or loaded only after several minutes during the flight. But this doesn't happen anymore. Scenery and planes load fast and reliably. Loading times are much, much faster than in MSFS2020. From pressing the "Fly" button to sitting on the runway it needs less than 30 seconds (or less than 45 seconds if I use the airport for the first time). Ending the flight and going back to the Free Flight menu is done in less than 5 seconds. Streaming is not the problem.

Edited December 11, 20241 yr by crimplene

Seems.....?, indications are MS is slowly but surely pushing towards Xbox only, hope not but this 24' version of FS is more gamey than ever, the streaming thing,  new version of Xbox coming in the future.....? hmmmm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, flightsim1818 said:

It becomes a more compromised streamlined version of simulation where flying accurracy and airliner performance in the sim is not prio 1.

How abouts some facts, rather than making a baseless claim?  Demonstrate what simulation aspects have been removed to make way for your claim.