5 hours ago, Franz007 said:

Créeme, la nueva versión 2 es unas cuantas dimensiones superior a las dos. ¿Has visto algunas reseñas? Y, por cierto, su primer 777 fue hace unos 15 años y, para los estándares de X-Plane, ha dejado a todos los demás complementos en la sombra. Lo he disfrutado durante muchos años. De hecho, fue la segunda simulación "más profunda" de un avión de pasajeros después del CRJ200. Una de las innovaciones (no lo creeríamos hoy en día) es que tenían cabinas totalmente modeladas en 3D que cambiaban de las cabinas planas en 2D que teníamos antes de eso 🙂 Pero ambas son completamente ridículas desde una perspectiva actual, por supuesto. Sin embargo, eran de primera categoría hace 15 años. Parece que algunos de ustedes compraron ese complemento anterior hace poco, ¿por eso deben haberse sentido decepcionados?

It was a crazy no-brainer purchase. I don't regret it but my time to dedicate to simulation is very limited and I'd rather wait for it to be finished than get frustrated with as many bugs as I saw when I tried it.

5 hours ago, Aglos77 said:

It was a crazy no-brainer purchase. I don't regret it but my time to dedicate to simulation is very limited and I'd rather wait for it to be finished than get frustrated with as many bugs as I saw when I tried it.

They have fixed many things since the release. And I don‘t really have issues flying it anymore. I still see some small „bugs“ they will have to fix but that really are minor ones and don‘t really impact anything. For example when the APU is running and bleeds are ON it cannot maintain the set cabin-temperature, meaning during winter it cannot heat the cabin up and during sommer it cannot cool it down enough. But that is really not something that prevents flying it. The most amazing thing is the flight behaviour and feeling the weight when handflying it and also the sounds. I personally have never seen any single addon being released without bugs. And even the Toliss still have some after years (reason why they release some new versions every few months). So if you are waiting for having an absolute perfect version it seems that this will never happen. But it‘s up to you of course 😊

 

 

2 hours ago, Franz007 said:

Han arreglado muchas cosas desde el lanzamiento y ya no tengo problemas para volarlo. Todavía veo algunos pequeños "errores" que tendrán que arreglar, pero son realmente menores y no afectan a nada. Por ejemplo, cuando la APU está funcionando y los purgadores están activados, no puede mantener la temperatura establecida en la cabina, lo que significa que durante el invierno no puede calentar la cabina y durante el verano no puede enfriarla lo suficiente. Pero eso no es algo que realmente impida volarlo. Lo más sorprendente es el comportamiento de vuelo y la sensación de peso al volarlo a mano y también los sonidos. Personalmente, nunca he visto que se haya lanzado un solo complemento sin errores. E incluso el Toliss todavía tiene algunos después de años (razón por la cual lanzan algunas versiones nuevas cada pocos meses). Entonces, si estás esperando tener una versión absolutamente perfecta, parece que esto nunca sucederá. Pero depende de ti, por supuesto 😊

 

 

Yes, in the end everyone has mistakes. I'm not in a hurry I have little time to play unfortunately and a lot of FF addon has its little black legend so I always recommend caution until the plane is really finished.

1 hour ago, Aglos77 said:

so I always recommend caution until the plane is really finished.

Perhaps you missunderstood me. No addon has ever been what you call „finished“. They all get more or less regular bugfixes. But you decide of course. And FF‘s Boeings have a solid reputation, they only messed up with Airbusses….

On 1/1/2025 at 11:42 AM, Franz007 said:

I will repeat it again and again but: they haven't abandonned it. They are simply better at modelling Boeing than Airbus. And indeed there has been a problem with the FF320 because the main developpper left and they needed a very long time before updating it as promised initially. But that has been done long ago now. Others haven't been "abandonned" either; their whole 757/767-fleer have been ported to XP12. And they are simply pretty old and it makes more sense to develop a brand new version like they did with the 777. The same will happen with the A350. Do you seriously expect form a dev to update a plane endlessely and implementing all new features duringf 10+ years for the price of the initial addon that never promised that much features?

Totally agree.

One of the things I really appreciated was that they had XP 12 compatible updates ready on Day One of the Public Beta. And the 757/767 were free.

Though the A320 need a $10 upgrade, I happily paid it based on past performance/reviews.

The 320 is looking a bit dated now(as are the 75/76) but according to people (and, IIRC, IRL type rated pilots), it is quite complete and accurate.

I took it for a few circuits the other night and it flew quite nicely.

In all, I'm still happy to fly the 757 (well, C-32 when I fly it 😉) for my Boeing fix.

From what I've seen, the 777 is a well done, though Early Access, Hi Fi add-on and I can't see any reason NOT to buy it - if one is in the market for that type of aircraft.

On 12/31/2024 at 11:58 PM, jcomm said:

Should I?

I own the PMDG 777 200 LR for P3D (simulator that I no longer use, and unless P3D v6 shows signs of "life" will most probably never use again...) and FS 2020.

I expect at least the same level of detail in terms of systems modeling of the PMDG for fs 2020.

I don't know if I will ever upgrade the PMDG 777 to FS 2024 - depends on their price policy... If it's a $10 upgrade, ok, otherwise... Nope, and FS 2020 is past to me since FS 2024 offers me all of what FS 2020 did and even more (sorry for talking about the other sim here, but makes part of my reasoning 🙂 ).

I did have FF 777 v1, and I couldn't use it as much as I did try 😕  It was a big deception, and only the FF 757 Pro which I won from a .Org gift contest made me change my mind about their skills. I was once tempted to buy their 767 too.

I have the FF A320, but I don't use it.

So, from you guys who own the FF 777 v2, what can you say to help me with my decision? Should I jump?

The budget is now short, and my other option would be the X-Aviation TBM 900, not because i like that particular class of aircraft but because of the surely detailed modeling.

I don't own it, but in re vs PMDG, their upgrade policy is "No Charge" for the Compatible versions of their v2020 add-ons 

And despite the unfounded PMDG prejudice in the other fora, I believe they will stick to their word on that.

All that said, it really comes down to what you're looking for in terms of total experience.

IMHO, if you just want to fly the magenta line, then basically take your pick.

BUT, if you want the extra spice afforded by XP's BET/"CFD", then the choice is easy.

The above is the primary reason I just don't care about the pending 757/767s (and the A320's, too) in the other sim. I already have very good versions in XP and I haven't seen anything to make me soend the entire purchase price again on those.

It's difficult to resist 🙂

 

 

On 1/2/2025 at 12:23 PM, Franz007 said:

Perhaps you missunderstood me. No addon has ever been what you call „finished“. They all get more or less regular bugfixes. But you decide of course. And FF‘s Boeings have a solid reputation, they only messed up with Airbusses….

this has been in beta what 6 months or so? 

 

5 hours ago, fluffyflops said:

this has been in beta what 6 months or so? 

Zibomod being in beta for 7 years. Remember the days when all you had to do was make a block move around the screen and buzz, life was so simple than.

11 hours ago, mjrhealth said:

Zibomod being in beta for 7 years. Remember the days when all you had to do was make a block move around the screen and buzz, life was so simple than.

The zibomod was free.  They are changing for this on the idea its going to be a completed product.  6 months on its still not.  When will people ever learn.

Edited January 19, 20251 yr by fluffyflops

2 hours ago, fluffyflops said:

When will people ever learn.

Yes when will people learn its not as simple as it once was. What works on one install may not work on some other dodgy one. Without beta runs, you just dont find all the bugs, and users seem to be determined to find something wrong, almost to the point of having too.

Edited January 19, 20251 yr by mjrhealth

4 hours ago, fluffyflops said:

The zibomod was free.  They are changing for this on the idea its going to be a completed product.  6 months on its still not.  When will people ever learn.

Talking about learning…As I said previously and you chosed to ignore: no addon ever has been released « complete » and/or without bugs, even the ones not sold as betas. It looks like you are not aware of the horrendous complexity of nowaday’s addons. 

Im very aware,  its just we have a dev here with a somewhat shady past of releasing then abandoning products, yet  again to release (sort of) another half finished product under the guise thats its going to be finished with promises of 777-300s and then starts coming up with excuses as to why its not finished. 

Flightfactor dont really havr the best repuation do they.  With your theory your saying every product should be released as pay to beta and we should all be glad to have unfinished products like this white elephant of a product. 

Ill wager you a bet of 10 dollars to a charity of your choice , that in another 6 months it will still be "pay to beta" with no 777-300.  Youll see they will let you/us down again.  

 

  

On 1/19/2025 at 6:22 PM, mjrhealth said:

Yes when will people learn its not as simple as it once was. What works on one install may not work on some other dodgy one. Without beta runs, you just dont find all the bugs, and users seem to be determined to find something wrong, almost to the point of having too.

you'd buy an aircraft with square wheels  so long as its got an xplane sticker on it 

2 hours ago, fluffyflops said:

Im very aware,  its just we have a dev here with a somewhat shady past of releasing then abandoning products, yet  again to release (sort of) another half finished product under the guise thats its going to be finished with promises of 777-300s and then starts coming up with excuses as to why its not finished. 

Flightfactor dont really havr the best repuation do they.  With your theory your saying every product should be released as pay to beta and we should all be glad to have unfinished products like this white elephant of a product. 

Ill wager you a bet of 10 dollars to a charity of your choice , that in another 6 months it will still be "pay to beta" with no 777-300.  Youll see they will let you/us down again.  

 

  

Again: they haven't abandonned any of their aircrafts. Not a single one. There has only be a problem with their A320 6-7 years ago because the main developpper left. So they needed way longer to finish it as promised. You simply have to understand that an addon cannot be updated endlessely during many sim-iterations and with all newest fancy features for the initial price. Otherwise you are just a dreamer. And if you cannot differentiate beetween a half-finished addon and the FF777v2 having the most features ever released in any airliner-simulation and is basically only missing FMC-winds, alternates and complete HOLD-functionalities, it's difficult to take you serious anymore. And yes, modern addons are highly complex and need years and years to be made. In contrary to many other devs (best example being Asobo with their newest sim in early-Alpha-state without informing people about it) they inform at least about the beta-stage. If you don't want it only because a few features are missing, simply don't buy it. Problem solved. Whinning around won't change anything or show us how you can developp such an addon better.