39 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

And also bear in mind it’s not just the air temperature in the shade. The Dew Point is more important and reflects how comfortable you will feel. Anything above 23°C / 73°F won’t be pleasant.

 

On Monday, 29C and 92% humidity, for us.

Edited June 27, 2025Jun 27 by martin-w

23 minutes ago, martin-w said:

This is why average tempreture, globally, is looked at, the average trend, and over periods greater than 30 years. They do that to iron out the naturally ocuring peaks and troughs and see the long term trend. Currently, they can't look at one short term event and say definitively it's due to mankind's activity, but they can say that such events are more likely in a warming world. 

Average doesn’t mean every part of the planet is warming at the same rate. I’m keeping a very close eye on my stats but don’t see any obvious warming effect.

What I’m trying to establish is how much is natural versus man-made. How can they say with any certainty that one warm period was natural and not man-made?

The summer of 1976 in England remains the benchmark. Long before all this chatter started. We haven’t had any severe winters for 15 years. I consider that a good thing, not bad. More people die in the cold.

28 minutes ago, martin-w said:

Climate scientists consider volcanic activity, for sure. Global volcanic activity cools, though, it doesn't warm.

Indeed it does. Bring them on then. The more the merrier! 😁

24 minutes ago, martin-w said:

On Monday, 29C and 92% humidity, for us.

Are you sure of that? Maybe 92% at dawn but the sun dries out the atmosphere so I would expect humidity to drop to 50-60% max.

The MET most parts of the UK will get temperatures around 20-23c in the west, Norfolk could see 30c on Monday then falling. That`s not a heatwave try 76 lasted months in the south. 

PS It`s a scorching 18degs now 06.45 rising to a sweltering 24degs. You never hear the death toll from heatwaves in the UK. But do about winter every year from cold.

Worry about another possible ice age millions will die. 

8 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Average doesn’t mean every part of the planet is warming at the same rate. I’m keeping a very close eye on my stats but don’t see any obvious warming effect.

 

Every part of the planet doesn't warm at the same rate. Short term local or global warming may or may not have happened regardless of human activity. The concern is the average trend globally over decades. 

 

8 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

What I’m trying to establish is how much is natural versus man-made. How can they say with any certainty that one warm period was natural and not man-made?

 

They can't say with certainty as I said earlier, not definitively. They can only tell us how the liklihood increases in a warming world.

 

"While it's difficult to definitively say a single heat wave is entirely caused by human-induced climate change, scientists can determine how much climate change has increased the likelihood and intensity of a heat wave."

 

8 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

The summer of 1976 in England remains the benchmark. Long before all this chatter started. We haven’t had any severe winters for 15 years. I consider that a good thing, not bad. More people die in the cold.

 

I mentioned 1976, earlier. It was quite something. Its the insects I recall. They went bonkers. 

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9 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Are you sure of that? Maybe 92% at dawn but the sun dries out the atmosphere so I would expect humidity to drop to 50-60% max.

 

Yes, that high humidity is early. According to the Met Office... Monday will be 31C at 16:00.

04:00 will be 94% humidity. 07:00 will be 84%. By 16:00 it drops to 37%. Then starts to rise again.

 

8 minutes ago, martin-w said:

 

Yes, that high humidity is early. According to the Met Office... Monday will be 31C at 16:00.

04:00 will be 94% humidity. 07:00 will be 84%. By 16:00 it drops to 37%. Then starts to rise again.

 

Humidity always increases after sunset and decreases once the sun rises sufficiently. Your comment of 29°C and 92% humidity was misleading.

24 minutes ago, martin-w said:

They can't say with certainty as I said earlier, not definitively. They can only tell us how the liklihood increases in a warming world.

Britain has halved its emissions since 1990 but temps continue to rise. We’ve done our bit. It’s up to large countries to follow.

The push to net zero for this country is unattainable. It would kill us financially.

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Britain has halved its emissions since 1990 but temps continue to rise. We’ve done our bit. It’s up to large countries to follow.

The push to net zero for this country is unattainable. It would kill us financially.

 

Its about doing what's feasible, I would say. 2050 is the aim for the UK. I haven't researched how feasible that it.

On 6/21/2025 at 1:25 PM, martin-w said:

It's been a record, apparently.

The record was in 2022 when it hit 38C. I remember that because it was also 39C in Newcastle upon Tyne. 

4 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

The record was in 2022 when it hit 38C. I remember that because it was also 39C in Newcastle upon Tyne. 

 

Record for Jersey, not UK, apparently.

The UK reaches net zero [net means a trade off] not zero emissions. the worlds CO2 will not be affected. I have lost count over the last few months of the number of car manufactures that are ditching the net zero targets in order to stay in business. jobs are being lost at an alarming rate.

14 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

And also bear in mind it’s not just the air temperature in the shade. The Dew Point is more important and reflects how comfortable you will feel. Anything above 23°C / 73°F won’t be pleasant.

That's what I always say, but hard to sink in as most regular reports don't talk about DP so much. 60% relative humidity at 20 degrees isn't so bad. 60% at 40 degrees, pretty sweaty for sure.

Right now it's right around midday in Western Europe/West Africa, just pulled a few quick reports temp/dp/rh sort of zig zagging from north to south.

-EGLL London 24/17 65% RH

-EDDS Stuttgart 27/15 48% RH

-LIML Milan 33/16 36% RH

-HLLM Tripoli 28/19 58% RH

-FTTJ N'Djamena 36/21 42% RH

-FKKD Douala 29/26 84% RH

Anyway, I'd pick Douala, suits me best. 

 

30 minutes ago, Antipodeslonghaul said:

Anyway, I'd pick Douala, suits me best

London or Stuttgart for me. 👍

My weather station in Cheshire recorded an almost unbelievable 17% humidity in March 2017. Lowest humidity always occurs in spring in England. Not sure why.

https://www.cheadlehulmeweather.co.uk/record.htm

Cor. 42 forecast for Seville today and it’s still June😳