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A list of "true FSX" Freeware Aircraft for FSX

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What does "true FSx" mean? -- you need SP2 installed? I installed an aircraft yesterday which was "see through" - I only have SP1 installed.Barry

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You can also use a model checker available here at avsim. I was amazed to find out that none of the planes I downloaded that are said to be FSX compliant were compiled with the FSX SDK. I expected many of them, but not all of them.Bob

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>You can also use a model checker available here at avsim. I>was amazed to find out that none of the planes I downloaded>that are said to be FSX compliant were compiled with the FSX>SDK. I expected many of them, but not all of them.>>Bobyes, labelling is an issue. which is why I posted about it months ago with my taxonomy.and why now I wanted to generate a list of "true FSX" freeware aircraft that were compiled with an FSX SDK.I updated the blog post to point to modelchecker.zip, thanks for reminding me of that.

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Of the 54 aircraft listed, only 9 are linked in the AVSIM file library ... the lesson being that if you are only looking in the AVSIM file library for FSX addons, then you are missing out on a lot of high-quality addons available and might be of the misimpression that there aren't a lot of them available.Thanks Phil, for compiling the list. (Is it available on FSInsider?)If you're looking for missions, the AVSIM library has many, but Flight Simulator X Missions.com has many that are not available in the AVSIM library, and we also link to any that we can find anywhere on the internet.Cheers,

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Just a minor clarification...one of the entries is "N2056's Pete". That plane is available here as pete.zip, it is a modernized Pietenpol Aircamper that my Dad & I built many years ago.

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>Just a minor clarification...one of the entries is "N2056's>Pete". That plane is available here as pete.zip, it is a>modernized Pietenpol Aircamper that my Dad & I built many>years ago. thanks, I annotated the name. that is what it was called in the sim-outhouse thread,and I musta missed any correction there so that is what I used.

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In fact many of the planes in the list are available on Avsim. Just because he didn't choose to link here doesn't mean it's not here. (e.g. Rien's aircraft). But the corrolary is also true, not all of them are here.Thomas[a href=http://www.flyingscool.com] http://www.flyingscool.com/images/Signature.jpg [/a]I like using VC's :-)N15802 KASH '73 Piper Cherokee Challenger 180

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>In fact many of the planes in the list are available on>Avsim. Just because he didn't choose to link here doesn't>mean it's not here. (e.g. Rien's aircraft). But the corrolary>is also true, not all of them are here.>the point I am trying to make is, using 1 site as a gauge of anything these days is not going to give accurate results. there was a post recently about "only 1 new aircraft this month on the hot list" and then trying to equate that into some sort of global statement about the "state of FSX freeware aircraft". I believe that is invalid because the sample set ( 1 site ) does not let valid conclusions about the "state of FSX freeware aircraft" be made. discussing whether or not some subset of the aircraft I presented are linked on multiple sites does not invalidate the point that "the state of FSX freeware aircraft" is sigificantly less dire than previously thought. 54 is not a small number, and that was generated by 1 person in roughly 1 day. are there more - almost certainly. it seems some freeware aircraft authors are actually making new aircraft, and in good numbers, who would have thought after reading the other thread?I repeat, you cannot use 1 site anymore as a judgement about freeware, the community is too dispersed.

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Hello from New Zealand Phil. Always interested in reading your posts in these hallowed pages. Thanks for that list. Gives me a good idea on what to spend my time in.Cheers

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Thanks for the list. I am surprised no developer has made a freeware "true FSX" aircraft that is a modern airliner jet (that isn't just a repaint of the default a/c)

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Phil,I wonder if the depth of knowledge required, in terms of tools and techniques, hasn't surpassed the level of commitment present or available for the average freeware author? Or, I wonder if there are techniques available in older versions of the SDK that the FSX-SDK doesn't support? FSX has been out for about 2 years now and it seems that add-on products (free and pay) are slow in coming.Perhaps the tools might simplify in the future? This is conjecture on my point but salient to the topic.Jeff

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>Phil,>>I wonder if the depth of knowledge required, in terms of tools>and techniques, hasn't surpassed the level of commitment>present or available for the average freeware author? each freeware author has to answer that for themselves.it is true that features like bump-mapping, VCs, and shadows require more work. they also provide more of an experience. value for value. and all features do not have to be supported all the time. Piglet's excellent freeware aircraft lack VC shadows in many cases for instance, but are still excellent aircraft.the list shows some have decided yes, it can be done.> Or, I>wonder if there are techniques available in older versions of>the SDK that the FSX-SDK doesn't support? for aicraft, no.> FSX has been out>for about 2 years now and it seems that add-on products (free>and pay) are slow in coming.I see that in the last 6 months the rate of release of add-ons for FSX has greatly increased.And that many high-quality add-ons that provide features and experiences that are not available in FS9 are now released.And that many more are in the pipeline.And that major add-on producers are starting to migrate to "FSX-only" or "FSX-mostly" production. And stating so publicly.So I see this claim as backwards looking and not forwards looking.>>Perhaps the tools might simplify in the future? Unlikely.Any time you add features and capabilities that raises the bar.Plus given GMax is done as determined by Autodesk, FS11 will likely require learning a completely new modeling tool.Old dogs need to learn new tricks. That is just the way of the world.The one piece of relief I can offer is we are changing how the existing shadows are done and are not using volume shadows in the future. That will simplify aircraft model production a little bit by not requiring models to be manifold ( closed ) surfaces.>>This is conjecture on my point but salient to the topic.I see a list of 54 "true FSX" freeware aircraft that is an existence proof your conjecture is false. The content exists, some freeware authors are busy making it.I see a continuing problem is authors who do not want to invest in FSX and want to continue the practice of creating FS9 content and then labeling it as for FSX. The longer they wait to learn the new techniques, the further behind they will be. But that too is natural, as in natural selection.>>Jeff

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"Plus given GMax is done as determined by Autodesk, FS11 will likely require learning a completely new modeling tool."Any connection to the purchase of Truespace by MicroSoft Phil ?, its one Heck of a nice tool for free.

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>>And that many high-quality add-ons that provide features and>experiences that are not available in FS9 are now released.>Yes. I have for instance, started experimenting with cubic environment maps. It's about time, isn't it.>>Plus given GMax is done as determined by Autodesk, FS11 will>likely require learning a completely new modeling tool.>Hopefully there will be a way to import or convert our existing .gmax files to whatever the new tool is. Even if we had to re-do the materials and textures, being able to migrate good geometry would be nice.>Old dogs need to learn new tricks. That is just the way of the>world.>>I see a continuing problem is authors who do not want to>invest in FSX and want to continue the practice of creating>FS9 content and then labeling it as for FSX. The longer they>wait to learn the new techniques, the further behind they will>be. But that too is natural, as in natural selection.>Can't be said any more succintly than this.RhettFS box: E8500 (@ 3.80 ghz), AC Freezer 7 Pro, ASUS P5E3 Premium, BFG 8800GTX 756 (nVidia 169 WHQL), 4gb DDR3 1600 Patriot Cas7 7-7-7-20 (2T), PC Power 750, WD 150gb 10000rpm Raptor, Seagate 500gb, Silverstone TJ09 case, Vista Ultimate 64ASX Client: AMD 3700+ (@ 2.6 ghz), 7800GT

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>>Hopefully there will be a way to import or convert our>existing .gmax files to whatever the new tool is. Even if we>had to re-do the materials and textures, being able to migrate>good geometry would be nice.>>yes some form of import support is high on our list.

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>"Plus given GMax is done as determined by Autodesk, FS11 will>likely require learning a completely new modeling tool.">>Any connection to the purchase of Truespace by MicroSoft Phil>?, its one Heck of a nice tool for free.no, Autodesk abandoned GMax long before that move. it took a lot to get Autodesk to let us continue to use GMax for FSX, FWIW.so us providing new tool support is a known requirement moving forward.

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Thanks Phil , i recall there were a number of hurdles that were placed in the race to get Gmax into the hands of modellers for FSX, the direct model export with no X file being one that comes to mind.Also it was only a month and change since i downloaded TrueSpace after the announcement , i was just wondering out loud if i should get used to it and is it part of the " Grand plan " for VNext , i know 3DS is supported and i hope there are still plans to release the compiler for 3DS9 and foreward , at any rate i am confident ACES will do what can be done, they always have.Best Regards C.JBtw another Freeware FSX Native production is the Jeep WranglerI released back in May for tooling around in the back woods scenery.Check the licence plate in front ;)http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Loca...&ImageID=204540 http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fsxac&DLID=122156

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An alternative FSX modelling tool (not free, but cheaper than 3DS at $70) is being tested with 3D canvas pro.It compiles models using the FSX SDK xtomdl program and provides all the features of the 3DS materials, attach tool and animations.This is all with a view to using the tool for Train Sim2 (hence the website)http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=86363Overview:http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=86566more here:http://decapod-3d.spaces.live.comI'm just finishing off another FSX aircraft to prove it all works.

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Thanx a Lot Phil!!! :-beerchugDonald T(__/).................................(='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste(")_(") signature to help him gain world domination.

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Yes, besides the 707, although I don't think of it as a modern day airliner, but something John Travolta likes to play around with in the modern day lol.My dream is for developers to make freeware "true" FSX airliners like the 767, A319, BAE146, DC10 etc.>>Thanks for the list. I am surprised no developer has made>a>>freeware "true FSX" aircraft that is a modern airliner jet>>(that isn't just a repaint of the default a/c)>>you mean besides the 707-200>>26) 707-420>http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/file?rk=H6Xcc...2t=main/top.htm>>>?>

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