10 hours ago, jcomm said:

I see, but for me it was kind of a disapointment because the real thing, even these newer models, are well known for being tricky on asymmetric thrust scenarios, and this one continues to fly straight ahead like nothing happened :-//

Yep - that’s a fair point. After all, the scenario you describe is exactly what caused that 747F to veer off the runway into the water the last year or so. Total hull loss (crew survived 🙏) 🤙

But for me, the Herc can legitimately do so many unconventional activities while still having all the avionics sophistication of any airliner that I just need “Normal Operations” to be representative.

E.g., it can operate from the same airfields as a King Air 350. And heck, it can CARRY a King Air while doing it.

All at 250’ (or less). At night. While it’s raining. In the mountains.  😎

For me, it just comes down to boredom with simulating airliner / biz jet operations. Y’know: a 2 hour cruise at 30k on autopilot only to let the computer take you down to minimums so you can land on yet another 2 mile runway. While that’s IRL challenging, even my Dad found it dreadfully boring most of the time. 🤷‍♂️

the great thing is the Herc can do ALL of that, but it can also get down in the weeds and go places & do things that no airliner / biz jet can even dream of doing 😎

And I can even throw my Taogs OH-6 in the back to go sightseeing once I get there 😁

Now arguably, I could do the same with the A400 or C-17, but…

…the cherry on top is also having it available in DCS World where it can do all the really crazy stuff for which these things are known.

And I only have to know ONE airplane to do it 😁👍

 

 

I bought the blackbird C130J a couple days ago and can't get the installer to successfully install it and yes i have read the installation instructions.

I have submitted a support request.

On 5/4/2026 at 7:52 AM, jcomm said:

I see, but for me it was kind of a disapointment because the real thing, even these newer models, are well known for being tricky on asymmetric thrust scenarios, and this one continues to fly straight ahead like nothing happened :-//

I asked about this on their discord today:

1. If I fail say the outboard engine 4, will the correction needed for the resulting assymetric remaining thrust be realistically modelled?

   FSR], 

2. Farley — 14:07

   Yes. However bear in mind that, A) it's a 4-engined plane, so unless you're at very low airspeed, you're really not going to feel that much. B) at low airspeeds, there is a system called ATCS which automatically reduces thrust to the opposite outboard engine (you'll see a blue wedge between commanded HP and actual HP on the dial) to reduce the asymmetric thrust.

2 hours ago, kevinfirth said:

I asked about this on their discord today:

1. If I fail say the outboard engine 4, will the correction needed for the resulting assymetric remaining thrust be realistically modelled?

   FSR], 

2. Farley — 14:07

   Yes. However bear in mind that, A) it's a 4-engined plane, so unless you're at very low airspeed, you're really not going to feel that much. B) at low airspeeds, there is a system called ATCS which automatically reduces thrust to the opposite outboard engine (you'll see a blue wedge between commanded HP and actual HP on the dial) to reduce the asymmetric thrust.

I posted there too, and similar answers were given, but according to rw flight reports / manuals, and although, yes, there's that ATCS:

1) failing 2 engines should really be tricky, at ANY speed, and in special at low speed / high AoA during initial climb after takeoff... Try it yourself and see if it looks credible...

2) If you go ahead and fail #1,2,3, keeping only #4 at full power... you'll be good, check for youself... Sorry, but i don't believe the behaviour should be anywahere that great...

Edited May 5May 5 by jcomm

There’s not so many ex Herc pilots around now to ask about this.

I know the 747 used to be very hard work on 2 engines, I can only imagine a 4 engine turbo prop would have a big roll issue with 2 engines out with the working props blowing air over the wing.

PS I see an update dropped for the Herc yesterday.

Edited May 5May 5 by jon b

3 hours ago, kevinfirth said:

I asked about this on their discord today:

1. If I fail say the outboard engine 4, will the correction needed for the resulting assymetric remaining thrust be realistically modelled?

   FSR], 

2. Farley — 14:07

   Yes. However bear in mind that, A) it's a 4-engined plane, so unless you're at very low airspeed, you're really not going to feel that much. B) at low airspeeds, there is a system called ATCS which automatically reduces thrust to the opposite outboard engine (you'll see a blue wedge between commanded HP and actual HP on the dial) to reduce the asymmetric thrust.

 

2 hours ago, jcomm said:

I posted there too, and similar answers were given, but according to rw flight reports / manuals, and although, yes, there's that ATCS:

1) failing 2 engines should really be tricky, at ANY speed, and in special at low speed / high AoA during initial climb after takeoff... Try it yourself and see if it looks credible...

2) If you go ahead and fail #1,2,3, keeping only #4 at full power... you'll be good, check for youself... Sorry, but i don't believe the behaviour should be anywahere that great...

Yep - jcomms talking about twin and triple engine failures. Very difficult/impossible situations for any aircraft to handle. 

IDK myself, but I’d think 3 failed with only an outboard running would only be possible if the aircraft was already in level flight or descent. Even then, if you’re at MTOW there may not be enough oomph to keep it in the air. And perhaps not even enough for anything other than an immediate descent to the nearest clear patch of ground…?

The good news is I can only imagine loosing 3 from enemy fire, or maybe  a worlds record flock of geese…?

I’ll have to see if any of the IRL documentation I have covers emergency procedures.

@kevinfirth if you had time would you ask them about 3 engine out…?

In any case, abnormal procedures aren’t why I bought this addon, so I’m absolutely going to keep flying it. 🤙

I literally was about to type, what scenario is three engines going out are there. 
 

Does big, inertia, wingspan, or heavy have any influence? GA twin prop vs 747 vs 130. I imagine they dont experience asymmetry the same/pilot input 

55 minutes ago, Sweetd31 said:

Yep.👍 

Aircraft all follow the same laws of physics, so they’re going to respond very similarly if all other conditions are (relatively) equal - even if their sizes are vastly different. 

Edited May 5May 5 by UrgentSiesta

8 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

The good news is I can only imagine loosing 3 from enemy fire, or maybe  a worlds record flock of geese…?

I’m not really meant to talk about such real world events in detail but years ago I went through a flock of gulls on rotation in the 74.

Number 3 swallowed a gull and it bent several fan blades back 45 degrees, vibrations went off the scale so the engine was shut down.

When we got out there was an impact of bird innards spattered down the side of number 2, about 6 inches aft of the intake , so literally inches away from loosing a second engine.

A full flight to California with about 115 tonnes of gas onboard so very heavy, but at least if we had lost number 2 it would have been symmetrical.

With 2 engines on the same wing out the 74 would go around, but you had to keep descending down the glidepath and accelerate bringing the flaps up and slowly feeding in the power, if you were to just hit TOGA it would roll on its back !

11 minutes ago, jon b said:

I’m not really meant to talk about such real world events in detail but years ago I went through a flock of gulls on rotation in the 74.

Number 3 swallowed a gull and it bent several fan blades back 45 degrees, vibrations went off the scale so the engine was shut down.

When we got out there was an impact of bird innards spattered down the side of number 2, about 6 inches aft of the intake , so literally inches away from loosing a second engine.

A full flight to California with about 115 tonnes of gas onboard so very heavy, but at least if we had lost number 2 it would have been symmetrical.

With 2 engines on the same wing out the 74 would go around, but you had to keep descending down the glidepath and accelerate bringing the flaps up and slowly feeding in the power, if you were to just hit TOGA it would roll on its back !

😱OH NO!!!

Thank god it worked out as it did - that’s where all that training you guys do comes into play 🙏
 

I was once pax on a 767 that lost the right engine right after Vr. I was even watching the engine (cause that’s what kids do!) when it happened. Looked like the worlds biggest backfire to me.

It was so long ago that I don’t remember any other details. But the pilots obviously handled that one correctly, as well 🙏

Edited May 5May 5 by UrgentSiesta

Pretty much a non event in the mighty 74 as it was, but another 6 inches and it would have been a very different story …. As Keneth Williams might say ( one for the mature uk audience)

 

Out of curiosity, here’s what a search for c-130 multi-engine failure crashes pulled up (What stands out is a reminder that many crashes are caused by a chain of smaller incidents rather than one big event):

1. Nigerian Air Force Flight 101 (1992)

The most catastrophic incident occurred on September 26, 1992, when a Nigerian Air Force C-130H Hercules (NAF911) crashed three minutes after takeoff from Lagos.  The aircraft was heavily overloaded, and three of its four engines failed during the initial climb. The plane crashed into a canal, killing all 159 people on board. This remains the deadliest accident involving a C-130. (Possible fuel contamination)

2. Belgian Air Force Crash at Eindhoven (1996)

On July 15, 1996, a Belgian Air Force C-130Hcrashed at Eindhoven Air Base in the Netherlands.  During a go-around initiated just before touchdown, the aircraft ingested birds, causing the failure of engines #1 and #2. Engine #3 had been shut down by the crew prior to the approach. This resulted in the loss of power from three engines, leaving only engine #4 operating.  The aircraft, flying below the minimum controllable airspeed for a three-engine failure, rolled and crashed, killing 32 people. 

3. Bolivian Air Force Crashes

On December 31, 1994, a Bolivian Air Force C-130B crashed during a three-engine takeoff from Trinidad, Bolivia. 

On December 21, 1989, another Bolivian C-130A crashed after a three-engine takeofffrom Guayaramerin, killing 22 of the 27 people on board. 

(No details on why 3-engine takeoffs were attempted, especially at high altitude Bolivian airports)

4. Iranian Air Force Incident (1978)

On September 19, 1978, an Imperial Iranian Air Force C-130H crashed during landing at Doshan Tappah Air Base after attempting a three-engine go-around. 

Edited May 5May 5 by UrgentSiesta

4 hours ago, dbw1 said:

I bought the blackbird C130J a couple days ago and can't get the installer to successfully install it and yes i have read the installation instructions.

I have submitted a support request.

FWIW, I’ve probably had more problems with MilViz/BlackBird installers than with any other dev (mostly in P3D, to be fair). Not any with the Herc as yet, but still…

40 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

FWIW, I’ve probably had more problems with MilViz/BlackBird installers than with any other dev (mostly in P3D, to be fair). Not any with the Herc as yet, but still…

I bought this a couple days ago and can't get the installer to work. Sent off a request to support for assistance and am waiting for a response. They are probably busy with this latest release so I will wait another day or two till they have time to get to me.

In July 16 2016 there was also a fatal (for 3 of the crew elements) accident with a C130H at Montijo airbase, LPMT, in the southern margin of river Tagus. 

I watched the initial flames and smoke from the other margin of the river as I was watching an airshow, and I didn't realize it had been an accident with an aircraft until I went back to work at LPPT.

I was told later that the cause of the accident was an induced simulation of engine failure by the crew member acting as instructor, to which apparently the pilot flying couldn't respond in time, due to the huge asymmetry, causing the aircfraft to exit the runway and collide with obstacles.

Edited May 5May 5 by jcomm