I love it. I wish all developers who produce long haul airliners (looking at you Flight Factor) would give this option in their planes. I’m not one for many hours on time compress but I love some of those long haul jets. Cyber nice to be able to skip hours ahead to a more interesting segment of your flight. Perfect feature to incorporate T7. Appreciate it in my Tolis A320 busses. That’s why my next purchase will be the Tolis A300-900. Finally a long haul heavy for a three hour sim session.

Edited January 10Jan 10 by Patco Lch

 

Onwe would have to ask a couple of questionbs,

1. If you are going to run away in the middle of long flights why just not fly shorter ones.

2. And more to the point, if you are going to spend money on a high end plane why bother if you are not going to fly it properly.

3. I expect you would want the plane fuel consumption, weight etc also to reduce by the amount flown. I really dont think anyone would bother with the amo8nt of effort that would take and all teh problems it might add. Especially from a high end add on like Tolliss

Yeah, whatever floats your boat, but if you don´t have time for that 12h long-haul flight, just either walk away and go to work or sleep through the night and then set an alarm clock to come back before landing...or just take off from a close airfield and "pretend" you flew all the way (we won´t tell!).

Well, I don't find any problem with it, and actually find it rather handy, to have such a feature, provided it is properly programmed into the addon and sim...

I used it extensively with one of the most detailed flight simulators I ever used, in both versions ( 1 and X ) - Aerowinx 

Toliss calculates takes into account consumption during the jump, although I don't think it goes so deep through that calculation to account for weather in between, specially if the jump is thousands of miles...

Leaving the simulator / desktop / laptop for so many hours also represents energy consumption, so, again I am all for that kind of time reduction...

I would rather have the chance to use a sophisticated copilot that could take care of the aircraft, with all of it's details and complexity. X-Plane has an AI pilot, so does AEFS4, both can take hand of the controls (I'm not sure about the communications in XP because I never tried that feature in it).

If one could leave the aircraft with the copilot and rest assured he would run the necessary actions and interact with ATC, while we are away from the cokpit for shopping, work, and any RL diversioins, then that would also be a great option 🙂

Well, there are people that only let the autopilot fly and sit on a window seat and look out over the wing and enjoy their simulator that way.

Others let it run with lots of AI aircraft and sit by the runway and watch the planes take off and land.

Again others enjoy add-ons that let them drive around the airport so they can pretend to be the guy that changes the lavatory waste water...

I don´t think there is a wrong or right in using X-Plane (or any other simulator), it just needs to be understood that there is a mainstream way of using it (or an add-on) and that any functionality outside of that mainstream requires coding effort...and an assessment of Return on Investment. I.e. if it takes me a week to implement something but this feature only generates 1 extra sale - the return is not warranting the invest.

To gauge this interest in a feature is often difficult - even for the customer! How many people actually use some esoteric "preflight walkaround" feature where you need to check the oil and drain the sumps more than once or twice?

It is a tedious, non-glamours and boring task and most pilots would gladly skip it if they didn´t risk their lives and those of their passengers and crews if they did.

Once the "oh that is cool" is satisfied, it holds no replay or entertainment value.

I’m sure anything added such as jump ahead feature that calculates fuel consumption and changes time in the sim etc is complex but thankfully Toliss and FSlabs seem to have decided to add it as a feature to their offerings.

What floats my boat referencing long haul simming is that these are really cool addons of impressive jets and I want to fly them on the routes they are used on in real world. To me the fun is flight planning, preflight, a heavy MTOW departure and climb. By jumping to waypoint I mean you can jump to more interesting phases like areas of interesting weather, step climbing etc. Yes you could start at a closer departure point and pretend you flew a trans PAC or just spawn at the arrival gate and pretend you just flew across Siberia. Joking of course.

As far as going to bed and completing the flight in the morning I know myself well enough that when my old man prostate wakes me at three AM to pee I would feel compelled to check the sim then no more sleep which I have enough trouble as is. Of course that would make me feel bad all day simulating jet lag😂.Seems rather pointless going to work or whatever all day and leaving your computer burning until you can get back to land.

What happens in a sim is mostly a projection of your mind anyway so for me the jump to waypoint in the Toliss and FSL busses are a very nice option to have and I thank them for it.

Edited January 10Jan 10 by Patco Lch

15 hours ago, Patco Lch said:

I love it. I wish all developers who produce long haul airliners (looking at you Flight Factor) would give this option in their planes. I’m not one for many hours on time compress but I love some of those long haul jets. Cyber nice to be able to skip hours ahead to a more interesting segment of your flight. Perfect feature to incorporate T7. Appreciate it in my Tolis A320 busses. That’s why my next purchase will be the Tolis A300-900. Finally a long haul heavy for a three hour sim session.

So do the Toliss birds allow you to skip ahead long distances in XP12?  In XP11, they would only go ~100nm forward due to sim limitations associated with the way LR implemented grid-based local positioning.  I haven't tried it again since those days.

I've had their A340-600 for a while, and just picked up their A330 during the Christmas sales, but haven't gotten to it yet (so many addons, so little time...)

3 hours ago, Bob Scott said:

So do the Toliss birds allow you to skip ahead long distances in XP12?  In XP11, they would only go ~100nm forward due to sim limitations associated with the way LR implemented grid-based local positioning.  I haven't tried it again since those days.

I've had their A340-600 for a while, and just picked up their A330 during the Christmas sales, but haven't gotten to it yet (so many addons, so little time...)

I’ve skipped several hundred miles. Exactly how far I can’t say off the top of my head. By the way Bob I still have your quantum leap app for P3D. A refined version of that would be IMHO payware worthy.

13 hours ago, mjrhealth said:

 

Onwe would have to ask a couple of questionbs,

1. If you are going to run away in the middle of long flights why just not fly shorter ones.

2. And more to the point, if you are going to spend money on a high end plane why bother if you are not going to fly it properly.

3. I expect you would want the plane fuel consumption, weight etc also to reduce by the amount flown. I really dont think anyone would bother with the amo8nt of effort that would take and all teh problems it might add. Especially from a high end add on like Tolliss

This is exactly what most of us are forced to do.

I'm not gonna leave my gaming rig running hot for 12 hours just for "real time" sake.

Watching an airliner fly transoceanics is the most boring thing one can do in flight sim. Watching one fly transcons is only slightly less so, because at least there's some scenery to look at. The enjoyment comes from operating the aircraft. With my hands - not my eyeballs on the magenta line. IoW, everything between ToC and ToD is a drag (even my IRL UAL Captain dad said so!).

High End Planes bring joy not from the distance they're flown, but from the fidelity of the addon itself, and the challenge in learning it due to its "High End" nature. Real world economics simply don't apply in flight sim, which is what drives "proper" operations.

ToLiss does things right.

 

 

12 hours ago, Litjan said:

Yeah, whatever floats your boat, but if you don´t have time for that 12h long-haul flight, just either walk away and go to work or sleep through the night and then set an alarm clock to come back before landing...or just take off from a close airfield and "pretend" you flew all the way (we won´t tell!).

 

8 hours ago, Litjan said:

How many people actually use some esoteric "preflight walkaround" feature where you need to check the oil and drain the sumps more than once or twice?

It is a tedious, non-glamours and boring task and most pilots would gladly skip it if they didn´t risk their lives and those of their passengers and crews if they did.

Once the "oh that is cool" is satisfied, it holds no replay or entertainment value.

So on one hand, Jump Ahead is gamification, but on the other hand Walk Arounds are tedious and boring.

Come now - pick a side and stick to it. Operate properly - or don't!

12 minutes ago, Patco Lch said:

I’ve skipped several hundred miles. Exactly how far I can’t say off the top of my head. By the way Bob I still have your quantum leap app for P3D. A refined version of that would be IMHO payware worthy.

I'll have to revisit that feature in the Toliss birds.  I've been slowly migrating my XPlane add-ons over to my Intel box and haven't done long-haul in XP12 much.  I have a process for skipping ahead in XP12, but it's fairly crude, involving a spreadsheet, a lua script, and some manual reconfiguration.  I haven't had time to drill down deep enough to do it in a more streamlined way using C++ plugin code, and the XPLM libraries still baffle me when it comes to repositioning, quaternion manipulation etc.

I've never done payware, and don't see that ever happening, as it would be too much like a job.  I'm perilously close to that line already.  I prefer to keep my contributions confined to the realm of altruism.

Cheers

2 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

So on one hand, Jump Ahead is gamification, but on the other hand Walk Arounds are tedious and boring.

The difference is that on one you get to sit on your *ss, drink coffee, chat with the FO and look at the scenery passing by, with the other you get to bump your head (even on my airplane), get your hands dirty and walk through de-icing fluid...

I wonder if the "jump ahead" feature causes issues with XP's built-in AI traffic and ATC.

(While I do own a ToLiss product, I've never tried jumping to waypoints so far.)

 

13 hours ago, mjrhealth said:

2. And more to the point, if you are going to spend money on a high end plane why bother if you are not going to fly it properly

While I love autopilots and all, sitting in the left seat and staring at an aircraft symbol along a magenta line at FL360 is only flying in the sense of "moving through the air".

While I've never performed a (thorough) walkaround on a real aircraft so far, the Reality Expansion Packs for various aircraft sure made me hate the procedure. Just like warm-up runs with piston engines.

Edited January 10Jan 10 by Bjoern

This reminds me of Captain Mike Rays comment in the front of his 747 check ride manual. Referencing the 47s long haul mission he says pilots love the plane but hate the mission. They may only get a turn at two or three landings a month. Of course I wouldn’t complain if I were being payed in excess of three hundred bucks an hour to lay up in the cubicle and snooze for dollars. But makes for boring simming.

Edited January 10Jan 10 by Patco Lch

2 hours ago, Litjan said:

The difference is that on one you get to sit on your *ss, drink coffee, chat with the FO and look at the scenery passing by, with the other you get to bump your head (even on my airplane), get your hands dirty and walk through de-icing fluid...

Yep - I’m just highlighting an inconsistency on you perspective in re Realism🤙