1 hour ago, jcomm said:

Energy retention in vertical maneuvers is very well done in DCS and il2 great battles, and even in Aces of Thunder.

 

It's done for people that needs to manoveur their joysticks without worrying about energy retention. 😁

Well, ZachB has made my Civilian Mustang dreams come true!

I'm hoping he will publish his mod.  It does require the C172 analog gauge from the Premium Deluxe pack, the (free) Carenado Piper Dakota as well

Works with the TDS GTN 650Xi, and also includes a basic KFC225 for longer trips.  I've got an RNAV approach loaded here with LPV minimums, and all is working well both on the GTNxi with accurate course guidance on the VOR instrument.  On the second pic I'm heading to KEAU, but the weather requires an instrument approach... no problem now!

@Claudius_ there may be an issue on landing cause with a crosswind I tend to ground loop.  It's probably a pebkac issue though hehe.  I need to use the pedals less or very evenly and gently apply them.  Also the tail wheel can lock and unlock.  EDIT:  I'd say it's a skill issue on my part.  I tried another crosswind and it was challenging but I got my tailwheel on ground and locked it and with gentle rudder input was able to maintain runway centerline till stopping.

 

 

Edited April 24Apr 24 by ryanbatc

10 hours ago, jcomm said:

Mehhh ... I own it, but honestly don't think it is that good, other than the graphics...

Compared to Spitfires in either IL-2 or DCS, or even AoT, leaves a lot ot be desired IMO...

I gave a go to this P-51. It's decent yes, surely better than the ASOBO default, but compared to the P51 / Tf51 in DCS or even in IL-2 ... 😞

I took quick flights in them both yesterday. 

The core problem, as you say, is that we’ve experience with the Crème de la Crème addons in other sims (and I’ll definitely add A2A’s warbirds to that).

So, yeah, these end up falling short relative to those. 

HOWEVER, I do feel like they’re a very good experience for those who only fly MSFS. 🙂🤙

10 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

Youn can't compare combat sim vs. civilian sim, in my experience I see that the combat sim airplanes generally lack realism in landings, take off, engine management, and a flight model that consent you to have a lot of energy. Just compare the A2A and the DCS P-51: completely different airplanes. In MSFS24 I find a good without bullets compromise.

Uh…one can certainly compare and contrast! 

I will agree that the A2A and DCS Mustangs are significantly different, AND that the A2A seems to align more accurately with IRL pilot accounts, in particular for take off & landing.

But I’d also say that it’s inaccurate to state that “combat sims” ignore the “realism” in the features you mentioned. In fact, it’s all the time that I’ve spent in the DCS warbirds that have made the A2A and MSFS warbirds so easy for me (relatively easy!). 

So, yeah, some of the warbirds in MSFS are good, but I’ve yet to find any that are generally at the level of A2A or DCS. 

I do hold hope for the FIS Spitfire for 2024 upgrade to further enhance it, but TBH, I’ve kinda given up on civ sim warbirds for “study level” flying. I do collect the better ones that aren’t available in other sims, as it’s a very nice “discovery” experience, and I appreciate the effort to keep them alive in simulation. 🤙

Edited April 24Apr 24 by UrgentSiesta

13 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Uh…one can certainly compare and contrast! 

I will agree that the A2A and DCS Mustangs are significantly different, AND that the A2A seems to align more accurately with IRL pilot accounts, in particular for take off & landing.

But I’d also say that it’s inaccurate to state that “combat sims” ignore the “realism” in the features you mentioned. In fact, it’s all the time that I’ve spent in the DCS warbirds that have made the A2A and MSFS warbirds so easy for me (relatively easy!). 

So, yeah, some of the warbirds in MSFS are good, but I’ve yet to find any that are generally at the level of A2A or DCS. 

I do hold hope for the FIS Spitfire for 2024 upgrade to further enhance it, but TBH, I’ve kinda given up on civ sim warbirds for “study level” flying. I do collect the better ones that aren’t available in other sims, as it’s a very nice “discovery” experience, and I appreciate the effort to keep them alive in simulation. 🤙

I agree, although I find the physics of the A2A for FSX a lot less satisfactory than those of the DCS, starting with the takeoff run which is really too "unstable" in yaw control while the real aircraft is easy to keep aligned with the rw centerline and requires just slight rudder inputs. In that aspect I'd say this MSFS 2024 P51d mod feels even better than the A2A. 

Then the day I used, even the first version of the DCS TF51 I could never return to the A2A model. Yes there were, back then, aspects where the engine simulation and certain aspects of the cabin environment, like for instance hypoxia effects, condensation in the canopy, g effects on the fuel manometer gages, etc... were exclusive of the A2A model, but progressively ED started adding details and fine tuning the systems, and after a couple of years and nowadays, the DCS P51d is by far the best simulation of a P51 available for a desktop sim platform IMHO, closely floowed by the IL-2 model, and even IMO better modelled even in Aces of Thunder than in A2A or any WW2 prop fighter I have used so far in MSFS...

I particularly also like the physics in IL-2 Great Battles and even in the more "arcade oriented" AoT I am now a real FAN of, opting to play it when I have a sim time slot rather than loading DCS, XP or MSFS, but there is a problem ith the elevator authority in the IL-2 P51D. Still the IL-2 is IMOH way way ahead of the A2A in terms of physics / aerodynamics modeling...

The only thing that YoYo introduced in the DCS model was an effect I never accepted as realistically represented, giving to it way more importance than what it should have - the effects of deflected propwash over the downwind surfaces when maneuvering or taking off in a strong crosswind, although during my long discussions at the ED forums with YoYo, a guy that understands zillions more about aerodynamics and flight simulation development than I ever knew, he said RW pilots comented on that effect and accepted it as realistic ... I didn't stand corrected, nor did I accept that with a strong crosswind from the port side (left) I would have to use right rudder and right aileron input during the initial takeoff run to overcome the deflectec propwash effects....

The A2A P51D completely disappointed me, aerodynamics modeling wise, and in some way the MSFS do to, although some find the way to more properly model it, was in how almost unperceptible sideslip resulted from full power regimes at high AoA / low speed... I could climb with a rather steep pitch attitude, and start losing energy (not as much and so believably like in DCS, but still acceptable) and see my AoA increas, and yet practically no rudder input would be required, and the TC ball would stay put, well, pretty muchg like most prop aircraft in MSFS, this P51d mod unfortunately not being an exception...

BTW: IL-2 Great Battles excels in terms of ground physics IMO, and I never found taxxing a taildragger under stronger winds as realistic as in IL-2:

Principles #1 - Wind While Taxiing

 

Edited April 25Apr 25 by jcomm

THANK YOU!

23 hours ago, ryanbatc said:

Well, ZachB has made my Civilian Mustang dreams come true!

I'm hoping he will publish his mod.  It does require the C172 analog gauge from the Premium Deluxe pack, the (free) Carenado Piper Dakota as well

I'm hoping he publishes it, too!  Would love that addition.

Well,

just made a series of short flights from LPCS to LPST and circuits in LPST.

Wheel landings in this P51 are DELIGHTFUL !!!!

And it happens I just noticed I had that "simplified physics" enabled (Green Formation Light ON) and as I turned it off, the flight dynamics got much better for my liking.

So far it's a winner !!!

Well,

after a few more test flights I have to say this mod, which as per the associated comments at the Flightsim.To makes use o fthe new CFD, completely changed my opinion about props, powerful WW2 props in this case, and MSFS 2024 as far as flight modeling goes.

Wow!

I'm FINALLY !!! AT LAST !!! convinced that MSFS 2024 can have really good even if mainly "inside of the envelope" flight dynamics !

On 4/25/2026 at 8:48 AM, KAPtain_Rich said:

I'm hoping he publishes it, too!  Would love that addition.

He's working on some refinements and added a second 650 near the AP so it will crossfill a flight plan.

Do you guys know.how I can get the tablet of my sight? They talk at flightsims.to about some pitures showing clickspots, but I never found those? 

Well but I did find out after searching desperately for the IFF that is mentioned on the aircraft descriptokn as a select of the easy ground model that it was after all on the formation lights panel, and it was seleceted on my case sonInwas findinh ground physics very unrealistic. Switching that off turned this p51d ground physics great! 

Wheel landings are a must!!!

I'll check this and the Texan mods out so thanks for the heads up 👍

1 hour ago, MarcG said:

I'll check this and the Texan mods out so thanks for the heads up 👍

Just installed the t-6 and it's another great model! 

I never bought the A2A Texan, so I can't compare, and there's none for DCS, but it does feel very believable.

Edited April 26Apr 26 by jcomm

1 hour ago, jcomm said:

Do you guys know.how I can get the tablet of my sight? They talk at flightsims.to about some pitures showing clickspots, but I never found those? 

Well but I did find out after searching desperately for the IFF that is mentioned on the aircraft descriptokn as a select of the easy ground model that it was after all on the formation lights panel, and it was seleceted on my case sonInwas findinh ground physics very unrealistic. Switching that off turned this p51d ground physics great! 

Wheel landings are a must!!!

Click on the mount just to the right of the GPS - or if you don't use that its the mount on the right side top of the cockpit frame

I think you can also click the power button on the EFB (on the right side)

Edited April 26Apr 26 by ryanbatc

Zach's mod is available now.  You need the Deluxe pack or the C172 analog gauges aircraft, AND the (free) Piper Dakota from the marketplace.  Of course you also need the TDS GTNxi 🙂

https://flightsim.to/addon/108276/north-american-p-51d-mustang-tds-gtn-650xi-kfc-225-autopilot