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A new simulator - with PMDG as the lead devs... Count me in! Maybe have a look at NGFS forum, with some crowd funding PMDG could definately pull this off... especially if the lead addon developers in the community would support them, however It would still be a huge effort!

Exactly, but we have to get the base correct that allows for all these additions...... and the base is the World itself!

Sure, it is a change - but as mentioned before - also in this thread - in the past, developers focused on the Flight Simulation, and built a simulator that - some better, some less good - focused on the Aircraft and it's surrounding... I personally think that if we succeed in creating a base world that is as accurate as possible with todays data available, meaning a spherical Globe, DEM reaching from the mariana trench to the Mt. Everest, athmospheric/meteorological as well as hydrological model and a rendering distance that satisfies the needs of the flight simulation genre, including day-night and seasonal change, with the possibility to add functionality via plugins/modules, and leave the adding of fine details to 3rd party developers by providing a solid SDK, this could become the base of a Next Generation Simulator - being Flight - Drive or what ever...

Well, it not really such a change after all... The "world simulator" should be the basis. Any Flight Simulator basically needs to render the "world" and the idea is to build such a solid base that one could simulate anything in this world. The world itself does not care if you drive a car, train or fly a plane - so I think its a valid point to first get a base simulator where you can simulate anything.

@HiFlyer Those clouds look phenominal.... would be nice in the NGFS...... :wub: @ PropheadX Nice video - excellent flight model - however the other graphics seem to be the same of the old stuff....

:wink: I love the crash modelling....

Hi, Many here seem to think its not possible and realistic.... however - that is exactly what the SIM-posium is all about - to discuss if infact we are able to find a way to get this working (possibility's) and at the end to determine if infact it is realistic..... However - I personaly think it's much to early in the process to determine either of these two answers... Anyhow - If I'd show up at a meeting with my boss, and expressed concerns about something - without also presenting some sort of suggested solution, he'd most likely would either ignore me - and if happend to often most propably kick me out..... and trust me - just scrapping the whole project "because It can't be done" was never a good answer :Whistle:

I'll give it a try in the evening... And to all ney-sayers out there... a little possitive thinking will get you a long way, just give it a try and find out if supporting something - sometimes, isn't the better solution...... And here comes a little story for you: A small little bird falls out of it's nest...... so it sits in the grass and tweets for his live.... nearly freezing to death.... along comes a cow, hears the the little bird tweeting and asks what's wrong? So the little bird answers that it fell out of the nest and now is freezing , the cow - trying to help the little bird, turns around and craps on it...... well now the little bird is a little stinky - how ever, it at least feels warm again - and so keeps on tweeting for his parents..... a little later a cat comes along, hears the little bird tweeting and fetches it out of the cows dropping......... and the moral of the story........ Not everybody who craps on you is your enemy - and anybody getting you out of ###### is not necessarily your friend.... kind regards

Hi, I think this is the breaking point to be honest.... Just imagine all the great Addon Devs would come together and support this effort..... PMDG, ORBX, Aerosoft, Flight1, A2A, HiFi..... and so on just to name a few (this list is by no means complete)... and agree to work together on a new community driven flight sim...... They'd secure the next standard for their future as addon providers, without carriying the financial risk alone all on their shoulders.....that is what croudfunding is all about! Just imagine what the affore mentinoned developers could do without the constant limitations of FSX/P3D and so on...... because they are part of the development team - they could develop what they need and incorporate that into the base sim..... and regarding the money...... well, I spent more last evening on drinks then the 50$ or so dollars I'd easily 'd be willing to risk on that project......

As one other member already mentioned, just install a "pdf " printer, and save them as pdf... Regards

Hi, I'm not sure since i use Navigraph Charts to view them, but I can print them as pdf - so if you can display pdf on the kneeboard, it should not be problem...... regards

Well said!

Well, If I would calculate the 193.000 members of avsim, and each would give $15 for this project..... which is not even the value of a normal addon... then there you've got your 2.8 million..... however - getting the community together is a bigger problem.... especially if people try to find reasons it's not gonna work.... instead of looking for reasons and way's to make it work.....\ I do understand your scepticism... but then again, the glass is either half full - or half empty, its up to you! regards

Excellent, now let's do that for the whole world...... :rolleyes:

Hi, Well.... <_<, the Graphics are stunning and a Flight Simulator with graphics like this + Planes like PMDG + decent ATC + "real world scenery" not some fiction land.... etc...YES - that is what we want - however, this guy should definately work on his landing technique.... :Whistle: kind regards

Dear PropheadX, This is not alone Stephen's new venture - its OUR - new venture... so I hope you come aboard and post your views and ideas in the forum. GTA-5 ofcorse has to be taken into the equation... and there is a video already on the website which can be found here: http://nexgenflightsim.com/then-vs-now/ We need to discuss the benefits and the down sides of all available graphic engines. So your participation is highly appreciated... kind regards

Its a shame, that some see it as a "competition" which I also don't think it is.... actually I would have hoped that an "community" like AVSIM would have some interrest for a successful Next Generation Flight Simulator....

Hi, I'm totally aware of that :wink:, but I don't see one on the horizon.... anyhow - if you carefully read all the info on the NGFS website - croudfunding is mentioned as one way of doing it - if through this discussion we (the community) finds an angel investor - even better!!! As I said - its about discussion on how, we as a community (if there is one), can achieve what we want... and there are good examples, that it could work like for instance "Star Citizen", if we get off of our a..es, and contribute.....by sharing ideas etc. regards True - so why don't you head over and put that into the discussion?

Well, as far as I read it, at the moment its just a place to discuss the topic of a new Flight Simulator. Nobody is asking for funds at the moment! Its about how, we as a community can achieve a common goal, and that goal being a Next Generation Flight Simulator. If you think that "some Angel Investors" will come from heaven, then I think you are wrong. Croudfunding is one possibility of achieving the funding for this project. However - you are totally wright in that there needs to be a discussion and a workable plan layed out before hand. To achive that - this website was generously put together by one individual who put a lot of work into it, not to mention the financial cost of hosting something like this for the moment. That is exactly what this website is about. Discussions - Ideas - Workplans - How do we get from what we have - to what we want..... Its a campain to gather the entire Flight Simulation Community to support a Next Generation Flight Simulator.... Of course you can wait till one drops down from somewhere - although I doubt that will happen in our life time... so what do we do about that??? We can either support this initiative by participation (or any other initiative going in the same direction) or wait till some "Angel Investor" comes along.... P.S.: I personnaly think something like this was long overdue - and one of the "Big Players" like AVSIM should have come up with an Idea like this.... cudos to Stephen Borick for even trying to get a bunch of enthusiasts to focus on one goal.......I hope he succeeds.... kind regards

True - so its up to us, the make these community leaders aware of this opportunity... AVSIM has already pinned thread with the official opening invitation to the website - as I do think it is a common goal to everyone here on AVSIM. But then again - a new website - specially aimed at this common cause specifically, I think be better - and more attracting to everyone - also from other Flight Sim Websites like SimFlight or ORBX and so on - sort of a neutral place to communicate on a common goal... So for the moment - please get out there - make it viral - post everywhere and anywhere related to flight simulation and let the people know of this opportunity. It will take a lot of effort, as you described - but who will do it if not us?..... And let the community leaders know that they also have the opportunity to participate and as leaders should - take us to a new Flight Simulation era.... regards Richi

Well, the whole thing is about a - NEW - flightsim.... all the ones on the market today use an old code base..... so I think ist well worth the effort. Sorry to disagree - It will take each and everyones help, if we want to get this into the air... and I do hope you will join in with your thoughts and ideas, and post them - as it will help to promote the cause! This new endeavour will need the whole community - as it is so small - to get it aloft!!! so I do hope each and everyone joins in - and contributes as much as he/she can... We are the ones who always complain about the limitations of FSX/P3D/XPX ..........(put your sim here) so it is up to US to change that - as a community....

Hi, I've been there, read it all and must say - I'm impressed by the dedication of Stephen - brilliant Idea and I really hope it grows strong - could be our only chance of a "really new FS" regards

Cheers! Have another glass for me, as I'm on duty and can't have one right now....gg

Hi, Here are the entries I have in my scenery.cfg for ES Channel Islands (thats Alderney and Guernsey) [Area.220] Title=ES-CI-Terrain Local=Addon Scenery\Earth Simulations\Channel Isles\ES-CI-Terrain Layer=220 Active=FALSE Required=FALSE [Area.221] Title=ES-CI-Spring Local=Addon Scenery\Earth Simulations\Channel Isles\ES-CI-Spring Layer=221 Active=FALSE Required=FALSE [Area.222] Title=ES-CI-Summer Local=Addon Scenery\Earth Simulations\Channel Isles\ES-CI-Summer Layer=222 Active=FALSE Required=FALSE [Area.223] Title=ES-CI-Autumn Local=Addon Scenery\Earth Simulations\Channel Isles\ES-CI-Autumn Layer=223 Active=FALSE Required=FALSE [Area.224] Title=ES-CI-HardWinter Local=Addon Scenery\Earth Simulations\Channel Isles\ES-CI-HardWinter Layer=224 Active=FALSE Required=FALSE [Area.225] Title=ES-CI-Winter Local=Addon Scenery\Earth Simulations\Channel Isles\ES-CI-Winter Layer=225 Active=FALSE Required=FALSE [Area.226] Title=ES-EGJB-Guernsey Local=Addon Scenery\Earth Simulations\Channel Isles\ES-CI-Airports\ES-EGJB-Guernsey Layer=226 Active=FALSE Required=FALSE [Area.227] Title=ES-CI-Night Local=Addon Scenery\Earth Simulations\Channel Isles\ES-CI-Night Layer=227 Active=FALSE Required=FALSE [Area.228] Title=ES-CI-3D Local=Addon Scenery\Earth Simulations\Channel Isles\ES-CI-3D Layer=228 Active=FALSE Required=FALSE [Area.229] Title=ES-CI-Maritime Traffic Local=Addon Scenery\Earth Simulations\Channel Isles\ES-CI-BTX Layer=229 Active=FALSE Required=FALSE [Area.230] Title=ES-CI-Sounds Local=Addon Scenery\Earth Simulations\Channel Isles\ES-CI-SFX Layer=230 Active=FALSE Required=FALSE [Area.231] Title=ES-CI-FX Local=Addon Scenery\Earth Simulations\Channel Isles\ES-CI-FX Layer=231 Active=FALSE Required=FALSE [Area.232] Title=ES-CI-LMX Local=Addon Scenery\Earth Simulations\Channel Isles\ES-CI-LMX Layer=232 Active=FALSE Required=FALSE [Area.233] Title=ES-EGJA-Alderney Local=Addon Scenery\Earth Simulations\Channel Isles\ES-CI-Airports\ES-EGJA-Alderney Layer=233 Active=FALSE Required=FALSE [Area.234] Title=ES-CI-3DX Local=Addon Scenery\Earth Simulations\Channel Isles\ES-CI-3DX Layer=234 Active=FALSE Required=FALSE now you have to find where ESI installed your scenery on your computer and crosscheck my scenery.cfg entrys for each of the scenery folders - change [Area.xxx] and Layer= to the correct values as well as the Local= path or use the freeware Programm "SceneryConfigEditor v1.1.3" (google for it) to add those entry's (prefered method) And also change Active=False to Active=True (as i have it disabled for the moment as I'm not flying in that area now) if there is one folder you dont have - dont add it to your scenery.cfg (I might have installed it with Alderney) hope that helps kind regards

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